I was the one who brought up the rivalry issue. I never thought that Riv/Surly 
employees had any axes to grind with each other (more like mutual respect), but 
that some of the participants in this group seemed to have unwarranted harsh 
views about Surly. As Grant said, Surly is one of the good guys for those of us 
who have a Riv-ish perspective on design.

I considered later that it gets dark here at 4:30 pm now and it was -6F at the 
time, so maybe I was moody and being a little too sensitive.

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