For the flipside of things - I have a QB and love it. One of the things I 
like best is no kickstand plate. I don't begrudge people that like 
kickstands and want a secure way to attach one - I just don't like or want 
a kickstand. I've ridden lots of bikes with kickstands and lots without. I 
prefer the ones without. If I'm going to pay something for a bike - I'm 
going to get what I like. Even if someone gave me a great bike with a 
kickstand plate and kickstand, I would likely give it away. Kickstand 
plates is one of the many reasons I prefer the Custom.

About the mixte idea - fine if you like mixtes - but I don't care for them. 
I'm in my mid 50s and have no trouble getting my leg over the saddle and 
top tube on any bike I ride. I regularly ride with guys 20+ years older 
than me. I consider myself _very_ fit. But they manage to pull away from me 
- even on the steepest hills in the East Bay such as Mc Ewan Road or El 
Toyonal. They have no trouble getting over the saddle/top tube either.

This is all water under the bridge since I have no plans to buy another 
bike remotely like my QB.

Regards,



Corwin

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:03:13 PM UTC-8, 
jus...@giftandvariety.org wrote:
>
> I have a SO and love it. Maybe too much as it isn't my go-to bike as much 
> as I had intended it to be (or rationalized it). It gets more attention 
> than any other bike I have and I don't often let it leave my sight when I 
> do take it out. It is not the fault of the bike; I am just that fond of it. 
> I never understood why the SO didn't sell as well, or better than, the QB. 
> Beside the fact that it is made in a different factory (even Grant has said 
> that it is as well constructed as the QB) it has been improved upon with a 
> kickstand plate (I don't believe anyone that complains about the 'look" or 
> weight of a plate... functionality wins here). All that said, I would buy 
> another if it were even MORE versatile with a rear cable bridge braze on 
> (helps when carrying smaller saddlebags without support) OR just switching 
> to sidepull breaks. I like the cantis but I think the sidepulls would make 
> a simple bike even simpler. But more than anything... I think that a new 
> SimpleBeam should be a Mixte frame! Yeah, it might be a deal breaker for 
> some that think a level top tube is the only top tube that counts but a 
> severely-sloping TT would make a useful bike even more useful with the 
> addition of racks (and baskets) and easy (dis)mouting. Sure, young folks 
> can swing those legs up like a dog marking their turf but with a mixte you 
> can step-through like you mean it. With slightly thicker tubes (like an 
> Atlantis) you could do anything, anywhere, anytime, with luggage!
>

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