I agree Deacon Patrick. "...suspension only adds the ability to ride rough 
stuff faster while removing some level of efficiency on climbs or flats. 
That is compared with a no suspension rider who knows how to use bent arms 
and legs as their suspension."

Tires can also make a big difference in my experience. I have gone from 
riding trails with my Sam using the original 700c x 35mm Panaracer Paselas 
to  35mm cyclocross Cinder Xs, both under fenders to Schwalbe 50mm Duremes 
(fenderless on the Great Divide Montana section) to an Atlantis with Smart 
Sams - 2.1" front and 50mm rear. Two days ago I rented a hardtail 
Rockhopper and rode rocky trails around Sedona Arizona. 

My impression so far - bent arms and legs with butt over the rear tire when 
needed can get me most anywhere. Where that's not possible, I walk my horse 
or tote if needed. 

Tony

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:53:53 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> From what I gather, Anne, suspension only adds the ability to ride rough 
> stuff faster while removing some level of efficiency on climbs or flats. 
> That is compared with a no suspension rider who knows how to use bent arms 
> and legs and their suspension (which makes them a full suspension rider, 
> but that gets confusing). But I can't ride suspensioned bikes because they 
> monkey with my vertigo, so I can't speak from personal experience.
>
> I am seriously eyeing a 3" Surly ECR both for improved range in snow, 
> sand, and for being able to ride more of the rough-stuff trails.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:35:01 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> Good question. A related question is why would someone choose a bike 
>> with a front suspension, or a bike with a full suspension, over a 
>> rigid bike like the Hunq? Assuming that one is a normally skilled Riv 
>> rider (not a crazy stunt rider, but someone who is comfortable on 
>> gravel roads), when if ever would a suspension bike be a better 
>> choice? 
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Brian Campbell <bdcamp...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote: 
>> > I was wondering if anyone was using their Hunq as a "true" mountain 
>> bike? By 
>> > which, I mean, no racks, fenders or bags.While it is a very versatile 
>> > frameset, does anyone use theirs only in off road scenarios? If yes, 
>>  what 
>> > are your thoughts on what it does well and maybe (shudder) what it does 
>> not 
>> > do well? 
>> > 
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>>
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