Wow. Thats a LOT of water. I've done 8 hour runs in the Canyon Lands at low humidity and 100˚F as the high (starting off at 6am, returning at 2pm), with 40 oz. of water, without being extra thirsty on arrival. This may seem a silly question, but do you breathe through you mouth, nose, or a combo? Nose breathing dramatically decreases water loss. Natives living and running the desert would fill their mouths with water and run for hours, having to show the elders at the destination village the mouth of water before they could swallow. You said you like challenges on your bike? There's one for you. Grin.
With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:45:37 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Not, alas, with just one set of bottle cage braze-ons. And even 60oz -- > heck, even 84 oz: 3 x 28 oz -- isn't enough for me for a 25 mile ride in > upper-90s, 5% humidity. > > Patrick Moore > iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2013, at 7:39 PM, Peter Morgano <[email protected]<javascript:>> > wrote: > > Can't you just carry 3 20oz bottles in cages? I am not sure if that's > enough, I have never ridden in the desert. > On Jun 30, 2013 9:34 PM, "Patrick Moore" <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> Paul -- thanks for this additional information and perspective. No Vaude >> system, I'm afraid -- aesthetic compulsions. I want as much as possible to >> keep the lean and clean look, as well as avoid all unneeded weight -- as >> light as the bike is with just the small seat wedge, it climbs >> magnificently with the 75" fixed gear. This is a special purpose bike, and >> the larger bag capacity is solely to allow additional water carriage in >> hot, dry weather. >> >> The Super C saddle bag looks like the ideal, but -- should you care to >> consider it -- I would be interested in learning how much you might want >> for that Banjo Brothers Saddle Trunk. >> >> I've found that a nice musette (mine, Dubonnet, from Velo Retro) can >> cover a multitude of carriage sins, but it would be nice to have a 6-to-8 >> liter wedge that fits nicely under the saddle. >> >> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Paul Brodek <[email protected]<javascript:> >> > wrote: >> >>> Wood tightened firmly against rails does tend to hold things in place, >>> but transverse dowels will get you more thigh action. Smaller/narrower bags >>> (Acorn, Frost River, Riv Banana) can snug up well and stay outta the way >>> better, but don't hold as much. >>> >>> I've had a Prima Maxi for a while, works OK but for 2 buts. Firstly, I >>> found the plastic buckles didn't prevent the nylon straps from slipping. I >>> burned a couple holes in the strap behind the buckles and another couple in >>> the straps, then installed a bolt through each buckle side pointing >>> upwards. Slip strap hole over bolt, no more slipping. Should have an eyelet >>> in the strap hole to make it neater/easier. Attached a piccy to illustrate, >>> bolt installation on top, strap over bolt on bottom. Should have fished the >>> bottom strap through the buckle first, but you should be able to figure it >>> out. On modern saddles the bolts are long enough to lightly contact glutes >>> when sliding back off saddle to descend, a bit weird I suppose, they don't >>> protrude from under Brooks saddles IIRC. >>> >>> Second but is you really wanna use the bottom straps around seatstays to >>> securely anchor the bag, and I'm not thrilled with the idea of wrapping >>> straps around good paint. Beater bikes I got no probs, but not happy doing >>> it with pretty ones. >>> >>> Also have a Banjo Bros Saddle Trunk, haven't used it in a while, don't >>> rightly recall how she goes. IIRC it worked OK, but it didn't wow me and I >>> haven't used it in forever and a day. >>> >>> I've used a Vaude seatpost bag/rack trunk, that klik-fix mounts to the >>> seatpost. I know you're talking no bolt-on stuff, but the klik-fix mount is >>> quick to install, doesn't get in the way when the bag is off, and though >>> there's a little bit o' rattle there's no sway and the bag goes on/off real >>> quick-like. There's also the quick-release seatpost racks, have a Topeak >>> with Banjo Bros rack trunk on a 650b-converted Marinoni trail bike. Stays >>> out of the way better than a transverse bag, quicker to install/remove than >>> an under-seat bag... >>> >>> Oh, the tyranny of choice! >>> >>> >>> Paul Brodek >>> Hillsdale, NJ USA >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:31:40 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Well, Paul, the "strap directly to the rails" ploy seems to work, at >>>> least for the small Junior. I don't care for how the dowel is right up >>>> against my thighs (I have my saddles slammed all the way back) but it does >>>> work. I did use another Junior on this bike some years ago, but using >>>> Cyclo >>>> loops. >>>> >>>> I think, though, that I'd prefer the smaller, 5 liter Carradice Prima >>>> Maxi on this gofast -- the Junior is really, at 9 liters, too big -- and >>>> I'd really prefer 8 or 9 liters on the Fargo. I should have kept my last >>>> SQR, but I'm going to try to rig something up for the Fargo so that the C >>>> P >>>> Maxi can go to the gofast. >>>> >>>> The more I consider the Super C Saddlepack, the more I like it -- 8 >>>> liters, longer and thinner than the Banjo, let alone the Jandd, not nearly >>>> as expensive or tube-like as the Revelate. >>>> >>>> Time and $$ will decide, and I'll report further as appropriate. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<javascript:> >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >> [email protected] <javascript:> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ >> >> >> Albuquerque, NM >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected]<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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