@ Patrick: I have tried what you mention with raising the bars with drops and staches on the Bleriot and Sam and those angles give me low back pain for days. I have found that I have to be at or below saddle height to be comfortable with drop bars. Though if it is a too long reach like the Sam I apparently get the neck and arm stuff, which is why I have to try a 6cm stem on the Sam now for drops. The 8cm Tallux is just too long. However, the Albas totally eliminate the neck issue because the reach is so far back. And, sitting bolt upright, my back seems to be ok with it so far. Only time will tell. So it looks like, I gotta be at or below saddle height, or all the way upright on a bike. I cannot do the in between levels like with raised drops and staches. Albas let you get all the way upright. But drops and staches on a 225 Technomic won't. So I gotta get low and stay low with them. I originally wanted to get a Rivbike for a few reasons: 1. The possibility of Technomically higher drop bars - but turns out my back doesn't like it. 2. Wider tire-ability - check. 3. Fenderability - check. 4. Safety and dependability of steel over carbon - check. So I guess 3 outta 4 ain't bad.
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