Wanted to add something to this topic. 

When I ride with people who are not as infatuated as I with all things 
bicycles but want to start cycling I often have a discussion about the 
attributes of my bike especially when I tell them it's made for mixed 
terrain it always distills to how much! There is always a gasp then I tell 
them there is a less expensive alternative like a Hillborne and let em know 
the price, a slightly smaller gasp, then the LHT comes to mind under 
$1300.00 built. IMHO I  think it is positive to direct people to Rivish 
type bikes (someone already said Grant does the same) that are within their 
realm of financial comfort. More people on comfortable bikes is in 
humanities best interest. 

It's like the difference between a Toyota Camry and a Lexus (use which ever 
car manufacturer you prefer) The Camry is reliable and comfortable and 
reasonably priced and the Lexus is all that and adds some aesthetics for a 
premium, both function well it just depends on the individuals priorities.

Lastly, as enlightened cyclists who appreciate Riv logic aren't we beyond 
the elitism we abhor? As for me I don't care if my neighbor wants to ride a 
carbon fiber road bike, hey he's on a bike! If he comes to me about comfort 
issues I'll extol the benefits of a quill stem and leather saddle and help 
him how I can. 

 I know I'm probably rehashing something some else has already stated but 
perhaps I'm saying a bit differently. Human on a bike any bike= good deal.

Best,

Hugh "I'd rather have a beater car and a sweet bike" Smitham
Sunland, CA

On Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:56:54 AM UTC-7, William wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim for all you do.  As a poster that sometimes says too much or 
> sometimes says the wrong thing in the wrong way, I've been more diligent in 
> asking myself right before hitting "Post" the following two questions:
>
> 1.  Will the board be any better off if I hit the Post button?  Even if 
> it's just a tiny bit better, that's good
> 2.  Will the board be any worse off if I hit the Discard button instead?  
>
> Of the posts I type, I end up hitting the Discard button maybe 30% of the 
> time.  I've regretted posting things in the past.  I've never regretted 
> discarding a post.  
>
>
>>

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