I find myself almost disturbingly unconcerned with the makeup of a 
drivetrain as long as it works for the bike it's on, and I can find the 
bits somewhere (I always can). 6-and-7speed freewheels, 8-speed cassettes, 
friction, indexed downtube, indexed trigger shifters, sidepulls, 
dual-pivots, cantis, V-brakes, and disks. 
 
I tend to like lugged-steel frames, Brooks saddles, and uprightish bars. 
Other than that, it's important to me that the drivetrain look nice and 
work well, but I seem to find something good about just about every 
variation of age/technology/number-of-cogs. And yes, I would love to set my 
Saluki up with Shimano electronic shifting on a Moustache Bar :)
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Thursday, January 3, 2013 1:55:38 PM UTC-8, William wrote:

> Can you get any wide range 8 
> speed cassette that doesn't start with 11?
>
> Apparently yes.  IRD offers a 12-32 (among other less-wide variants).  
>
> http://store.interlocracing.com/9and8spmtca.html
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, January 3, 2013 4:54:56 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 00:18 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: 
>> > As far as I can see, we bike consumer types have NOTHING to complain 
>> > about. There has never been such a wide selection of bikes, parts, and 
>> > accessories from which to choose. 5/6/7 speed freewheels are still 
>> > available (and becoming more so, not less), if that's your thing. 
>>
>> Barely available, and with a tremendously restricted availability of 
>> gearing combinations, compared to years past.  Where is the old cog 
>> board that let you make custom gearing?  Where do you find 5 or 6 speed 
>> freewheels for half-step gearing?  Where do you find quality freewheels? 
>> Nowhere. 
>>
>> But it's indexed shifters where the pressure gets applied.  Do you like 
>> 9 speed and brifters?  What do you do when your Shimano STI units fail, 
>> as they all eventually do?  Can you even buy a replacement other than 
>> NOS? 
>>
>> >  Yeah, you can buy 10sp or 11sp systems, too, but nobody is forcing 
>> > you to do that. 
>>
>> Yes, actually they are forcing you.  Can you get a new 7, 8 or 9 speed 
>> Ultegra or Dura Ace quality STI unit?  Can you get any wide range 8 
>> speed cassette that doesn't start with 11?  Can you buy a new road bike 
>> equipped with a Shimano group of 105 quality level or above with 
>> anything but 10?  Can you buy any new road bike equipped with Campagnolo 
>> that isn't either 10 or 11 (and almost all 11)? 
>>
>> > There is no retro-grouch persecution for us to rally around, though I 
>> > will concede that you'd be hard pressed to find a new rear derailleur 
>> > as crappy as what was considered state-of-the-art in the 1970s. 
>>
>> "Inexorable pressure and the ever-present threat of obsolescence" is how 
>> I'd characterize it.  "Persecution" is putting it a bit strong, but 
>> claiming the pressure does not exist is denying the truth. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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