It's true that everyone's riding environment is different. I don't commute 
because my job is too far, and I use my car for it (transporting disabled 
people on outings, shopping, etc.). I don't tour, either. I go on "rides", 
and grab a different bike for shopping and such, so I'm able to separate 
bikes into riding categories that commuter/tourers can't do. 
 
Of course, all this goes out the window if I take the plunge and buy a 
Faraday next year. $4800 for an electric-assist commuter/shopping bike 
throws everything I've said out the window :)
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:08:14 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:

> Hmm, my choice of rides is only "limited" by common sense, here in NYC 
> people will steal anything that isnt nailed down and even then they will 
> try. I would rather use my around town bike for what it is used for, around 
> town 5 minute rides that really arent that "fun" and save my bombadil for 
> longer jaunts around town where I can actually enjoy myself. I know a lot 
> of you live in more suburban areas where the idea of doing errands is a bit 
> more relaxed and you can go places and lock up and not be worried about the 
> bike being gone when you come back but I worked as a Barista for many years 
> and would see bikes get stolen right in front of the store, and when you 
> call the cops they could care less.  Again, I envy you suburban guys, hope 
> to escape NYC one day, even though my wife loves it here for whatever 
> reason. 
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thil...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Sorry to put words in your mouth/keyboard Joe! By "too precious to ride" 
>> I also include "too precious to lock up", since locking up a bike is part 
>> of riding it, at least for me. I have some fancy/expensive bikes, but I've 
>> never liked the feeling of having so much tied up in a bike that it could 
>> only be used under limited circumstances.
>>
>> I have a hunch that our fancy Rivs and such are actually somewhat 
>> theft-resistant. The average theif knows a Trek is a good bike, but who the 
>> heck is A Homer Hilsen, and why is his name on his bike?! I've been in the 
>> bike biz about 8 years now, and local people tell me when their bikes have 
>> been stolen. Most bikes that get stolen are not expensive, but just in the 
>> wrong place at the wrong time, and most of the time they're not locked at 
>> all. Locking the bike in ANY fashion is MUCH more important than having a 
>> great lock. Closing the garage door when the bike is parked inside would 
>> prevent the vast majority of bike thefts.
>>
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