Sorry meant for that to go to Patrick privately..  

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 10:44:57 AM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>
> The thread on the discussion seamed to take off in a different direction 
> than I thought it would have.  After reading the post by Jan my first 
> thought... (notice thought .. not accusation) was WOW I thought Jan and 
> Grant were friends I wonder why the attack on Rivendell.   The seersucker 
> double top tube thing and oversized tubing wasn't whatever and rivendell 
> uses oversized tube so then.. etc.  Though things were not directly said 
> they seemed to be implied even so far as to say nothing in bike shops 
> existed in performance bikes other than cheap no good (my perception of 
> what was written right or wrong)  entry level race bikes.  
>
> Then I thought well my AHH is a performance and I wouldn't want anything 
> with more flex.  Then I thought well I'm 6'5" tall and 225 and Jan is 
> looking at other sizes etc.  So no biggie. I then bought some stuff from 
> Compass Bicycles for home stock and trying out some tires.  I may not 
> relate to and my experience in many cases does not match his assertions.  I 
> just blow it off.   
>
> I was reading somewhere on his (Jan's) site that a friend of his thought 
> Jan was faster on a different piece of equipment I thought Tires (Jans 
> favorite).  He changed and indicated the stop watch said he was faster and 
> he changed tires.  I would not relate to that as the feel is more important 
> than the watch to me.  But I did spend a great deal of time in my life 
> chasing that speed and understand it.   
>
> In the end I was disappointed by the seemingly broad brush strike at 
> Rivendell and felt like he was as critical and divisive as those he was 
> complaining about.   Now it's a three way.. just not the kind I like  :)
>
> It was my perceptions and how I took it.  I am NOT claiming it WAS or 
> trying to say what Jan meant to say.. only how I felt after reading it.
>
> Kelly
>
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 10:21:48 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I am rather sorry I posted that link -- a lot more heat than 
>> light in the ensuing comments. I imagined the general reaction would 
>> be, "hmm, interesting," click on next tab. 
>>
>> I think it's time to give this one a rest. 
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:43 AM, jimD <raste...@comcast.net> wrote: 
>> > Ploughing old ground. 
>> > 
>> > Tubes - thin or fat. 
>> > Tires - skinny or fat. 
>> > Inflation - high or low. 
>> > 
>> > This has been debated on various fora over a span of several years, 
>> till all that remains are beliefs, opinions, 
>> > fortified positions, and boredom. 
>> > 
>> > Seems this stuff needs to get batted around periodically.  The Google 
>> already has 
>> > most of what has been so assiduously argued here. 
>> > 
>> > I appreciate the different points of view and the methods used to 
>> arrive at those beliefs 
>> > but sure can't understand the discussion getting 'heavy'. 
>> > 
>> > Sheesh , we're talking about bicycles. 
>> > 
>> > We will Ride what we like, believe what we want, none of it will amount 
>> to a hill of beans 
>> > when seen in the context of (just) riding our bike/s. 
>> > 
>> > That's my story and I'm sticking to it, 
>> > JimD 
>> > 
>> > 
>>
>

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