Yep. My Hilsen felt like my Romulus, but with 650b wheels. It's a nice, 
lively road bike.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Friday, July 27, 2012 7:53:47 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've not ridden a HH, but I did briefly own a Sam and, based just on 
> that I'd say that the Sam makes a better all rounder or country bike 
> -- excellent for that, IMO with the reservations that I didn't like 
> its load carrying properties and, second, that it won't take the fat 
> tires that I like for dirt roads. But for a combo of pavement, firm 
> dirt and light loads, I'd love to have mine back; as it was, it just 
> didn't fit into my bike stable categories which are determined in part 
> by budget. 
>
> As for road use, I found it somewhat sluggish compared to the purely 
> road Rivs I've owned and compared to other road bikes like the 
> erstwhile Herse randonneur. *Doesn't the HH have lighter tubing and 
> more roady geometry? *
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 8:10 PM, ted <[email protected]> wrote: 
> > As others have said, if you are going to set them up quite different 
> > that could make sense. 
> > I have a 56 hillsen and and my wife has a 52 sam. Hers has alba bars 
> > and rumpkin tires, mine has drop bars and GB cypres tires. They are 
> > quite different to ride. 
> > The hillsen is defiantely a really nice bike. If you are riding a 
> > local racing clubs rides you may want be on more similar equipment 
> > (like the rodeo), but short of that I don't think a hillsen would hold 
> > you back. I certainly think your notion of sticking to a single wheel 
> > size has definite advantages. 
> > Perhaps a Bombadil Hillsen pairing would be even better. There is more 
> > of difference between those two. Have 3 sets of wheels. One light road 
> > only set for only on the hillsen, one mixed surface set with rumkins 
> > on it for either bike, and a set with quasi-motos for only on the 
> > bombadil. Maybe a fourth set with schwalbe fatties on it for flat free 
> > use on either bike or skip the rumpkins and stick with 3 sets. 
> > Probably not a helpful idea though since you already have the 
> > hillborne. 
> > 
> > On Jul 27, 9:26 am, RJM <[email protected]> wrote: 
> >> So I have been thinking of getting my next Riv and would really like a 
> bike 
> >> for light road riding primarily. Something that I can do quicker road 
> >> rides, some long rando rides, charity rides, group rides.  One saddle 
> bag 
> >> or handlebar bag would be the most I could see putting on it. 
>  Something a 
> >> little quicker than my 48cm Sam. My question is, do you think a Hilsen 
> >> would be a good compliment to a Sam or is it just too close in 
> >> functionality and build to justify?  Maybe go for the Roadeo instead to 
> >> have something different? 
> >> 
> >> I have a PBH of 79, so pretty short and I am digging the 650b wheels on 
> the 
> >> Sam. Getting a Hilsen would allow me to swap wheels between the two 
> bikes, 
> >> which is a plus. I have a set of wheels made with Phil Rivy hubs and 
> Dyad 
> >> rims, 7 speed freewheel that I could see using for the Hilsen 
> primarily. I 
> >> also have a set of Synergy rimmed, LX hub wheels that I could put on 
> the 
> >> Sam. I like the fact that it has downtube shifter mounts, because that 
> is 
> >> probably the type of shifting that I would go for. (Roadeo doesn't have 
> >> these).  The Roadeo is also 700 wheels, which would require me to get a 
> new 
> >> set of wheels built. The lack of downtube shifting is a con too, but 
> not a 
> >> deal breaker I suppose. 
> >> 
> >> The Sam has been doing fine for all my riding this year, but I tend to 
> keep 
> >> racks and fenders off of it because I don't generally ride it in the 
> rain 
> >> and I have been doing club rides with it, basically I have tried to 
> keep it 
> >> from getting too heavy.  If I get another roadish riv, I plan on 
> putting 
> >> racks and fenders on the Sam and using that for commuting and touring 
> duty. 
> >> 
> >> What does everybody think?  Go for the Hilsen, Roadeo, maybe scrap the 
> >> whole idea and get another Sam? 
> >> 
> >> Thanks. 
> > 
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