David, its just that the city for all of Doomberg's proselytizing is still
set up mainly for car traffic, even though a good bit of people dont
drive.  And the outer boroughs are really deprived, but that is par for the
course in the city.  I lived in the Hudson Valley on the border of NJ for
12 years where my parents still have a house so I do know how to get up
there and have ridden fire trails and parks upstate extensively but I live
on 80th street in Bay Ridge, takes an hour on the subway to just get to
NYC. Point to point on the train from here to westchester where my Dad
lives is 2 hours, that is after switching from subway to train.  Its just
not realistic for me to spend 4 hours on trains to get out there just for a
ride.  I am pushing hard for this to be my last year in NYC though so
hopefully will post some nice ride reports next year around this time!

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:08 PM, David Hallerman <sunwarrio...@gmail.com>wrote:

>  On 7/23/12 3:42 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
> Shame that the alot of the city is still stuck in Robert Moses mode
>
> Well, since 54% of households in New York City do not own a car -- a lower
> percentage of car ownership than any other city in the US of A -- perhaps
> the "a lot" being "stuck" is totally inaccurate. (Although I'd love to see
> fewer cars on the island of Manhattan.)
>
>
>
> On 7/23/12 4:48 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
> I should just stop whining but man do I miss a nice country road.
>
> From New York City, get on a Metro-North train going to Westchester (bike
> pass is nearly free, lifetime pass for only $5). Take Hudson line or Harlem
> line to the north part of Westchester or into Putnam and Dutchess counties.
>
> Get off.
>
> Many country roads, with drivers far more polite than most of NYC or Long
> Island or New Jersey. (Oh, plan ahead with a cue sheet. Here's a free
> source for cue sheets in the Hudson Valley:
> http://www.roberts-1.com/bikehudson/
>
> Dave
> Peekskill, NY (formerly Brooklyn and Manhattan)
>
>
>
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