I don't think it's as simple as "thick" vs "thin" tubes. When the Hillborne first arrived, I was lucky enough to ride one over at the RBWHQ&L , as well as hear what Grant had come up with in terms of design and tube set choice. It is definitely a different selection of tubes - as one would expect from a different frame design.

At the time I rode it, the ride seemed to land just where GP had said - between the Atlantis and the Hilsen (for some reason, "light-framed Atlantis" came to mind, even though I don't own an Atlantis for true comparison). I never really heard what choices were made with the Bleriot, but it was modeled after the Saluki. It would not surprise me that some allowances were made to keep the price down and work with the production facility (Maxway) and the needs of QBP, who was the partner in the project.

And tires and pressures make a HUUUUUGE difference in any test ride. The first time I rode a Hilsen, it was actually fitted with Rolly Polly 28's (at the time the JB's had not yet arrived). Grant sent me off on the bike saying very specifically that the tires were not what the bike was designed for. It felt akin to my open-wheeled racer. When I rode it again before buying one, with the JB's, it felt like a Lamborghini with a Land Rover undercarriage.

- J

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