I have noticed that a lot of people swap frames out with great rapidity. 
 Over the course of my life I have not done this and so my current 
collection of frames, all purchased new include, an '84 Trek, an 88 
Marinoni, a "99 Surly, a 2004 Rambouilet,a 
2008 Ebisu, and a 2009 Bilenky Tandem.  My wife rides an '84 Specialized 
Sequoia, purchased used, and my daughter is still riding the '85 Bianchi I 
purchased new for her brother.  Not having swapped frames around has 
allowed us to continually upgrade the wheels and components.  I have easily 
been able to add PW BB, White Hubs & cranks, Paul's brakes, Cane Creek 
levers, Alpina & White cranks and Nitto bling.  No regrets about buying the 
best components I could get.  I just may go for the Rene Herse Cranks on 
the Trek,  just because I don't like the looks or that awful hidden bolt on 
the Sugino.  At m my age a 44/34/24 is starting to have some appeal!
Michael   


On Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:05:12 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:
>
> Jan,
>
> It was my impression that 105 would actually out last ultra and dura-ace. 
>  It was heavier and was the best choice for touring bikes and such.  The 
> advantages of the Dura-Ace was weight and shifting ramps .. especially for 
> the sprinters.   For everyday riding the heavier gage material was stouter 
> and lasted longer.  My impression only no facts to back it up.  
> I did just retire a tour bike to loaner status that has been on the road 
> for  me since 2002 and still on the same group. (105)  
>
> Just because it's better for racing and cost more doesn't mean it's 
> "better" or will last longer.. shimano anyway.  My opinion only.. 
>
> Kelly
>
> On Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:04:50 AM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> I agree Jan,  but still have a hard time convincing my wife of this fact, 
>> Haha. 
>> On May 31, 2012 11:48 AM, "Jan Heine" <hein...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On May 31, 6:03 am, Steven Frederick <stl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > It's interesting how people prioritize bike build budget money.  Lot's 
>>> of
>>> > Riv's proudly roll with fairly low-mid range yet functional parts, 
>>> Sugino
>>> > cranks, 105 derailers, Tektro brakes. And I see a lot of Surly's with 
>>> CK
>>> > headsets and various high-end bits. "Bike Bling."
>>>
>>> I think a lot depends on how much you ride. 105 parts will be more
>>> expensive than Ultegra in the long run, if you ride more than 2000
>>> miles a year. Quality components offer better durability and/or
>>> improved performance - for example, a high-end crank with narrower
>>> tread (Q factor) and harder-wearing chainrings will be more enjoyable
>>> and not much more expensive in the long-run than a cheap Sugino crank
>>> with soft chainrings.
>>>
>>> I learned this early-on. My mid-range Peugeot 10-speed ended up being
>>> the most expensive bike I ever owned, per mile. Once I started riding
>>> seriously, it needed repairs and replacements almost weekly. When I
>>> switched to a custom frame with Campagnolo components, which cost
>>> three times as much to buy, my per-mile cost went way down. At the
>>> same time, my enjoyment of cycling went way up. It can be a win-win
>>> situation, once you get over the sticker shock.
>>>
>>> Jan Heine
>>> Editor
>>> Bicycle Quarterly
>>> http://www.bikequarterly.com
>>>
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