I have been a bit out of the loop on the forum stuff lately, but saw the mention and am catching up. You can see the Frame bag I made for my Roadeo paired with a couple of acorn bags here:
*http://flic.kr/p/91HQ5W* <http://flic.kr/p/91HQ5W> I love mine, even though I am biased since I still make them for sale from time to time. I use it, on another bike, almost daily. This style of bag can be very useful on larger frames, moderately so on mediums, and are a significant compromise on the smaller bikes. The biggest factor as mentioned is impaction of the water bottles. This can be alleviated by the use of side loading cages, or just using a bladder with a hose as most bike packing guys do. I prefer to use bottles and refill them from a bladder I store in the bag. Another thing you may not think of is how you transport or store the bike. If you use a rack that cradles the top tube, the bag will be in the way and need to come off. The rubbing of the thighs is controlled by two factors. The overall design of the bag, both width and depth. The depth is an issue because a deep bag will allow you to overstuff it resulting in bulging. I have found that widths in the 1.75-2" range with about 6" depth work well in most applications. Also mentioned was the paint rub and wear from brazeons. I try to mitigate the rub by backing all of my Velcro with either canvas or trim. The more affordable bags usually have raw Velcro’s back side against the frame. Te Velcro plastic is likely close to or harder than the clear coat, and results in wear to the paint Things like bottle bosses or pump nubs will result in wear on the bag. I have been using ballistic nylon for the perimeter of the bag and found that this is a decent solution. There is a good bit of thought that goes into making this style of bag, not to mention the hand work. One bag can be made to fit a narrow range of bike sizes, but in general the range is narrow compared to front or rear bags. Hence, bags that fit well are usually custom, and other bags are fair fit a best for a traditional frame in most cases. Material selection is another issue. I like the untreated canvas for a variety of reasons. If you like the waxed or treated canvas you may want to think about what is in contact with your food or sweaty garments that you may be taking on and off, storing in the bag, and thus transferring to you in small steady amounts. Other bag makers have been working through that by lining their bags. For me, I avoid a design that requires a liner, as I do not feel like carrying a bag in a bag. Also consider the person(s) cutting and sewing the materials and what if any effect the waxes and formaldehydes in the canvas may have on them in the long term. These kind of thoughts have led me towards the Xpac laminated materials that are both waterproof, durable and light. I hope to have some samples to show in the near future that show off the way modern materials can be combined with trims like leather or vinyl in traditional designs to achieve a pleasing blend of style and function. You may be asking what is it god for if there is so much trouble in the design? I use mine to hold my GoPro on the pole mount and a long mini pump (I hate frame pumps). I often fit a dozen eggs or a 2.5L platypus bottle as need demands. Anything long and narrow that would stick out of other bags. Overall these end up being more useful than you might think. Rob - oceanaircycles.com On Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:57:22 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Nice bag. After reading that it does't interfere with your bottles, I > thought it might be the thing to use on my Fargo, but I see from the > photos that on a 17" (43cm) severely compacted frame, it wouldn't do > at all. > > Must check their other models > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 8:11 AM, stevew <st...@stevewimberg.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Just a few notes on the Revelate Tangle frame bag. I went ahead and > > ordered the medium size to go with my 60cm Ram. (shipped to Boston > > from Alaska in 3 days!) I went with the medium because I don't need a > > ton of space for this bag, and I wanted to minimize any difficulty > > with getting water bottles out of their cages. > > > > I did the Climb to the Clouds ride up to the top of Mt Wachusett here > > in MA yesterday, and the bag worked great. It didn't rub my knees at > > all, it was easy to get my foodstuffs out of the bag while riding, and > > I am able to get at both bottles. Though, the seat tube bottle > > doesn't go in and out quite as smoothly. I'm not using the larger > > size plastic bottles, but smaller aluminum ones. The strap that > > connects the front bottom of the bag to the down tube that is just > > long enough to make the connection. > > > > I use the Ram mostly for brevets, and got the frame bag to replace an > > Acorn Handlebar Bag. The handlebar bag worked well, but I was never a > > huge fan of how it connected the the bars. I think the frame bag is > > going to work - we'll see on the Boston 300K in a couple of weeks. > > > > Here's some pix: > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/swimberg/FrameBag?authuser=0&feat=directlink > > > > Steve > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------- > Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > ------------------------- > > A billion stars go spinning through the night > Blazing high above your head; > But in you is the Presence that will be > When all the stars are dead. > > Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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