Thanks. But if the 34 is in the #7 position out of nine, with looong stays and (probably) at least half of the spacers 9 speed, does that count as "two shy"?
OR is the issue the size of the cog? IOW, "one shy" only if the cog has fewer than N teeth? Patrick "also worrying whether to buy a disk rotor truing fork or just use a small, quality adjustable crescent wrench" Moore On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Bruce Herbitter <bruce.herbit...@gmail.com > wrote: > I go one shy of the extreme when using the inner or outer rings. I use all > the cogs from the middle ring. With a 40 or 42 middle, I often don't ever > need the others. A 36 (came stock on the Ram) is too small for general > purpose riding for me). I generally run something like a 12 - 32 range in > back. It varies from bike to bike. > > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:41 AM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Thanks, Michael -- more questions below. >> >> I should have been clearer that all of this rigmarole and these questions >> are premised on the desire to shift between rings as little as possible. >> Obviously, swapping out the 46/36/24 triple to a, say, 38/24 double would >> help greatly, but OTOH, the current triple has its own advantages, not the >> least of which it is already in place. The the question about using as many >> cogs as possible with the 46 and the 36. >> >> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Michael Hechmer <mhech...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> On Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:28:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> 1. Is there any harm in riding the 46 up to cog #7? Note that this hub >>>> is an 8/9 speed hub with extra spacers behind the big cogs. There is plenty >>>> of chain and the derailleur cage is just for'ard of vertical when in the >>>> big cog -- ie, nothing is really stretched -- I deliberately added extra >>>> slack for this. >>>> >>>> Not such a good idea, since the chain angle increases friction and wear >>> on the chain, rings and cogs. Besides, If you drop from the 46x22 down to >>> the 36 you will get the next gear, a better gear spacing, and a straighter >>> chain line all the way down to 31. >>> >> >> Is this because of the inward position of #7, or because of its size? >> Note again that the 34 (or the 29) is in effect the third ring from the >> inside since I installed only 7 cogs out of a possible 9. Once again, there >> is plenty of chain slack. Second opinion, then, about the 46/34? >> >>> >>> 2. Can I use the 36 with cog #1? >>>> >>>> Why not? It will work OK, but if you're going to be there for a long >>> time, the 46x20 will be a little better. >>> >> >> Good to know. Most of my dirt riding is in our river valley bosque which >> is pancake flat except for the occasional steep, short grunt up onto a >> levee, so the 46 provides ample range (this is the context for that "46/34" >> question). But if I ride in dirt in hillier terrain -- say in Rio Rancho's >> sand hills and in the east mountain foothills -- the range on the 36 will >> be very desirable. >> >>> >>>> BIG APPLES KOJAKS *46* 36 24 *46* 36 24 16 83 65 15 83 65 18 74 >>>> 58 17 73 57 *20* *67* 52 *18* *69* 54 22 61 47 32 19 65 51 34 26 >>>> 51 40 27 21 59 46 31 30 44 35 23 24 52 41 27 34 39 31 20 29 43 34 22 >>>> I am still debating whether one of these has any real advantage for me: >>>> >>>> >>>> 36 24 38 24 11 88 12 92 12 81 13 85 13 75 14 79 14 69 >>>> 16 69 16 61 17 65 19 51 34 20 55 35 23 44 28 24 46 29 29 35 23 >>>> 28 39 25 34 30 20 36 31 19 >>>> >>> The 12 will last longer than the 11 and you have more useful gears off >>> the 24 than you are showing. You will need a short cage FD, like the >>> campy, to make this work without running the derailler into the chain stay, >>> and still be close enough to a 38 to shift smoothly. >>> >> >> If I do switch to a double, it will very likely be with a 38 and a small >> cog of 12. I'll have to play with the current (LX?) fd. For one thing, the >> whole point of this exercise is to decrease fd shifting; second, I intend >> to install a bash guard in the outer position; and third, I rarely use the >> granny in the conditions I ride in: the hills are short enough that I stand >> and grunt or, if sand is involved on hill or flat and I can't power through >> it in a 50- or 60- something gear, it is usually too deep to allow shifting >> into the granny: by the time I manage the shift, I've bogged and fall over. >> (So to speak.) Also, I am sure I will be grateful for it if I ever tour. >> >> Fun stuff, this gearing nonsense! 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