The Carradice Super Cs do look really nice. A little proletarian, but
purpose-built. Are the weights on the Carradice site accurate? Because
if they are, they are about half the weight of Ortliebs (Super C:
1150g for 54L, Ortlieb Backroller: ~2180g for 50L). I always thought
cotton duck, though nice, was heavy. Guess I was wrong? Or are they
listing weight per pannier? But then Carradice's Ortlieb knock-offs
are also more than double the weight...

Thanks,

Gernot


On Mar 13, 2:07 pm, Earl Grey <earlg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone tried the new Brooks Land's End panniers? Look like roll-
> top Ortliebs, but made from a matte, greyish-brown waterproof
> synthetic with a subtle plaid weave. Look appealing, but double the
> price of the Ortliebs ($170 PER pannier). My assessment is that
> everything Brooks makes except for their steel-railed saddles is way
> overpriced. Too bad. The saddles OTOH are a bargain.
>
> Gernot
>
> On Mar 10, 3:10 am, Toshi Takeuchi <tto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Patrick,
>
> > The Carradice Super C hooks are super nice.  They start wide and then
> > you engage the hook until it locks into the rack. It handles many
> > widths of racks including my wider Old Man Mountain? rack and skinnier
> > blackburn rack.  The Ortlieb comes with different adapters that allow
> > you to use it with different racks, so it's not as useful in that
> > regard because you would have to change out the adapters to use with
> > different racks (I don't know the maximum width).
>
> > Best,
> > Toshi
>
> > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:47 AM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thanks, Toshi. If I remember the Carradice system from the --- senile 
> > > mental
> > > fart: forget the -- aha! Kendalls! -- If I remember those properly the C
> > > system was a bit less bulky than Ortlieb's; I had to grind the outer hook
> > > covers down on my Packers and smaller front packers to clear the fatter 
> > > 1.35
> > > Kojak when fitting them to the very minimalist Chauncey Matthews rear 
> > > rack.
>
> > > I must check the Carradices if and when I next buy some. Meanwhile the
> > > Ortliebs are very, very nice.

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