I know the no-FD feature was advertised in advance, but I'd file off the handle 
fasteners and put the FD on there if I had ordered one of the bikes. It looks 
it will be a very versatile and cool bike. Given that, I would absolutely want 
to keep the option of lever-shifting without having to get off.

-Jim W.

 
On Dec 9, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Ok, I know I will get flamed but isn't an igh setup perfect for a casual 
> rolling flatlands bike like this? Especially if you want to go no front 
> derailer.
> 
> On Dec 9, 2011 8:51 PM, "grant" <grant...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It does seem nuts, but maybe I've overstated that point to make it
> stand out. We don't need another multiversatile, do-it-all bike (it's
> hard to improve on the bikes we have, in that way...I mean, I think).
> True, it's not the bike for Japanesey apartments already crowded with
> bikes and roomates, but the BR or RB or whatever it is...could easily
> be an Albatross-bar bike, with a 9cm stem or a JoeSlacker bar bike
> with a 12...the diff in stems is, I'd say, about 3cm, maybe 4cm.
> Although I have a 12cm stem on it, the long tt, if anything, favors a
> shorter stem. I wanted to test it with a longy, also as a way of
> testing the sweebackedness of the handlebar.
> It's main purpose is riding pavement of any length, but not too steep.
> And if it IS too steep, it can handle that, too---just put a 24t ring
> in front and a 36t cog in back. Descending on a long wheelbase is an
> experience we should all have at least a few times. The WB on the BR
> is a hair under 45 inches (WB is the only bike dimension I still think
> of non-metrically). And...historically, 45-inches ain't that long. The
> Worksman bikes we have here are about that, and for all their other
> eccentricities that on paper suggest they shouldn't be (super slack
> head tube, high bb), they're great descenders.
> 
> I'm not sure the extra stays are required to stiffen the frame,
> because I don't know how important it is for the frame to be rigid
> back there (or anyhere, to a point). But they don't add enough weight
> to worry about, and they call attention to the bike as a little
> different, and I think they look kinda cool. (Which reminds me of a
> Dolly Parton response to an interviewer's question, that didn't she/
> Dolly think all that makeup and the uplifts and all that made her look
> like a hooker?--something along the lines of, "I hope so, because when
> I was growing up, they were the prettiest girls in town!"
> 
> On Dec 8, 7:54 am, chadk <chadknut...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Back to the frame.  I understand that some folks don't like drop bars.
> >
> > Designing a bike around the to-be-finalized handlebars seems nuts to
> > me.  The consequences of this design:
> > 1.  Much longer top and down tubes (+5ish cm)
> > 2.  Much longer chain stays (+4ish cm)
> > 3.  Extra frame tube and stays required to stiffen frame
> > 4.  Slack head tube plus rather raked fork plus long chainstays
> > results in a huge wheelbase
> > 5.  needs extra long stem
> >
> > The result is a HUGE frame.  Of course it is heavier than a 'standard'
> > bike, but it also takes more storage space and is more unwieldy for
> > tight space manuevering (e.g. staircases).
> >
> > I don't doubt that Grant designed the bike to ride just fine, but
> > those compromises are significant.
> >
> > How about designing a wacky, more comfortable bar with forward reach?
> >
> > -Chad
> > Urbana, IL
> 
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