On Sep 25, 2:44 pm, Leslie <leslie.bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  if one were to try to go a size under on a Roadeo frame, used a lighter 
>wheel with fewer spokes, seatpost,
> bars, etc.,  (not that I'm advocating such, but, if one were to do such...),
> you could still have a competitive bike that's much more durable, without
> having to have to resort to using added weight to get an underweight bike up
> to the minimum...  

one could still have a competitive *frame* that's much more durable.
But, hanging a bunch of carbon parts off a steel frame (which you'd
need to in order to get the bike into the "competitive" 15-17 pound
range) still renders the complete bike less durable.

For reference, my lugged steel cyclocross bike weighs in at about
17lbs with a carbon fork and carbon wheels.

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