Hi Zaella,

I just got a 45 cm Rando bar to put on my pending SimpleOne, and will prob use 
a 10cm dirt-drop stem (lifts it higher).

I've hated drops for the most part, and never gotten use to them, due to my 
long torso and shortish arms - always felt too forward/down even with an 
otherwise perfectly fitting stem.  I love mustache and relatively straight bars 
(like bullmoose) for that reason. 

Bit I got the Rando's for the same reason you are considering them - to try 
some shorter drops.  
The 45's don't feel huge at all - because of the flared drop, they are not only 
much shallower than a noodle of the same width, the "flats" area is also 
smaller to make room for the flare.  E.g I doubt you will find the 45s to big.  

It'll be a few weeks before I actually mount them on a bike, but i'll let you 
know what i think once i do, if you are still curious.

Best,
Andrew

On May 15, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Zaelia wrote:

> Discussing bicycles in particular; it has been my experience that
> there are a lot of strong opinions out there about what is right or
> optimum. Personally, I think that it is whatever works for the
> individual. There are so many styles and purposes of riding, it's not
> hard to see that a one-fits-all formula isn't possible, even though I
> sometimes wish someone could just give me a magic number and
> everything would click into place.
> 
> Next, I guess I have to admit that a lot of this stuff is Greek to me.
> I'm learning, but it's slow going.
> 
> So with that in mind...
> 
> I've been to my LBS for a bike fitting (a multi-visit process) and we
> first took care of the basics, pedals and saddle. Things have
> improved. I have almost no hand or foot tingles any more, and knee
> pain is gone, for example, but I'm still experiencing shoulder and
> neck pain. I definitely feel as though I'm bunched up up top, like my
> shoulders are too close to my ears. In a recent visit, we determined
> that to start I should get a longer stem. Currently, my Hilsen has an
> 8 cm (80 mm) Nitto Technomic stem. It was suggested that, without
> changing my handlebars, I get a 10 cm (100 mm) stem.
> 
> It was also suggested I get a handlebar that has a medium to shallow
> drop since I admitted to almost never riding in the drops because it
> feels too uncomfortable. I've got a 42 cm (420 mm) Nitto 115. The
> fitter, very keen for me to get an anatomic bar that he thought was
> perfect for me, pulled out a black aluminum bar and repeatedly told me
> that I would not find anything like this in the "retro style". I
> suppose he meant the angular or shaped-curve drops of the anatomic
> bars, but I also had the feeling he was saying I wouldn't find
> anything with a medium to shallow drop.
> 
> At home on my computer, I looked at various Nitto handlebars on a
> couple of websites (Riv, Peter White, and Harris Cyclery) and I saw,
> for example, that the Nitto 135 Randonneur has a shallower drop at 120
> mm compared to my 115 at 140 mm. It has a slightly longer reach at 105
> mm compared to my 100 mm, but has basically a "similar construction
> and finish to model 115" (Harris Cyclery). I'm assuming this "similar
> construction" means it has a 25.4 mm center as well, though the
> website does not specify.
> 
> So, I'm thinking about getting the Randonneur bars and trying them out
> with the new, longer stem. I'll get the improved reach with the longer
> stem and a shallower drop for better shifting and increased options
> for hand positions.
> 
> The last thing is handlebar width. I've read quite a bit about going
> for a wider handlebar width. Again, the fitter had different ideas.
> Ironically, he could see how maybe my working at a computer for many
> hours a day could cause some back problems but did not see that having
> a narrow (shoulder width) bar could do the same. The Nitto 135
> Randonneur only comes in 2 sizes on the Harris Cyclery website (42 and
> 45 cm), so that helps a little. So maybe I'll just throw all my chips
> in and get the 45 cm... ?
> 
> Well. I'm not sure why I wrote all this. I guess I'm hoping someone
> will read it and offer their thoughts and/or experiences. I'd be
> interested to read what others have to say.
> 
> Thanks,
> Zaelia
> 
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