Hi, Bill.

I'm glad the folks at RBW are helping. I'm sure you'll stabilize the
bar unless the stem itself is problematic.

I use Albatross bars with a Dirt Drop 100 with a shim with mo
problems, even on torn-up roads and hoof-beaten trails. Maybe not as
bad as what you've got. But I weigh ~245. Never a slip.

I'm curious... what's your PBH (without shoes)? How's the standover on
you Hunqapillar? What size tires do you use? I'm trying to decide
between a(nother) 60cm Hillborne and a 62cm Hunqapillar. I'm not a
crotch worrier, really. But I'm also not insane and have no desire to
buy a bike which promises grievous bodily harm with every dismount.
Unfortunately, I think it's the 62 or no Hunqa for me; I really like
my bars way up there.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On May 2, 10:30 pm, Bill Rhea <billr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I spoke with Jay who consulted Mark at Riv.
>
> Next logical step is blue loc-tight on the bar and shims.  Gnurling
> (gnarling?) or roughing up the point of contact was discussed, but is
> better suited for shim-free situations.  Stay tuned.  If that doesn't
> work I'll consider an old-school 25.5mm mountain bike stem similar to
> the one I've got on my X0-1.  I'm thinking, 12cm and about as flat as
> they used to make 'em would work....
>
> I like the Albatross bar for offroad; I think they climb great on
> crazy steep stuff and feel good going down loose fire roads, and you
> can shift and really keep your grip at the same time. Not my first
> choice for super-steep and rocky, rooted downhill singletrack, but if
> I were riding a chair lift in Tahoe I'd probably rent a bike to fit
> the terrain.  La Hunqa is perfect for my neighborhood :-)
>
> In the back of my head is the quickie bar conversion using cable
> splitters to a bullmoose configuration.  I had a Nitto bullmoose-type
> bar on an '82 SR mountain bike and h'bar failure never even entered my
> mind, and that's a good feeling for an old fart that doesn't bounce
> back from crashes like he used to.
>
> Happy trails,
>
> -br
>
> On May 2, 3:23 pm, Bill Rhea <billr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks for the reply, Minh.
>
> > If the stem were about ready to close on itself (i.e., get to the
> > point where both sides of the stem clamp were touching) then I would
> > try the bigger ship option.  Never underestimate the power of the beer
> > can shim :-)    However there is still plenty of room for the stem to
> > tighten before this happens.
>
> > I'm thinking, maybe a steel mountain bike stem (25.4mm) with a wider
> > clamp and 2 bolts (if such a thing exists)?  I'm sure the lugged stem
> > would hold a drop bar or mustache bar (26.0mm) just fine - it's just
> > the leverage you get on a 'Tross that makes this an issue, I think.  I
> > mean, on the road this is a non-issue, as it holds just fine.  It's
> > bombing down rocky trails at speed where it'll give if you hit
> > something hard....
>
> > Has anybody ever tried scoring the shim with something sharp in order
> > to make a less-smooth surface?  Or is this just dumb??
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > -br
>
> > On May 2, 2:57 pm, Minh <mgiangs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think you need more shim, soda can?
>
> > > On May 2, 5:08 pm, Bill Rhea <billr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Thanks for mentioning this Jeremy, but yup indeed, I've got a Nitto
> > > > shim in there to drop the clamp diameter down to 25.4mm.
>
> > > > I wonder if anybody has a trick o' the trade?  The bar, stem, shims
> > > > and clamp are devoid of grease (though the binder bolt has been
> > > > greased liberally).
>
> > > > -br
>
> > > > On May 2, 1:18 pm, Jeremy Till <jeremy.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > This may be obvious enough that you neglected to mention it, but do
> > > > > you have a shim in the bar clamp, since the lugged stem is 26.0 and
> > > > > Albatrosses are 25.4?
>
> > > > > On May 2, 12:14 pm, Bill Rhea <billr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I spent some time on favorite trails yesterday and snapped a few 
> > > > > > cell
> > > > > > phone cam photos of my 62cm Hunqa:
>
> > > > > >https://picasaweb.google.com/115167041841412610078/HunqapillarInTheHi...
>
> > > > > > I really like the Albatross bar set up on this bike.  Being able to
> > > > > > lean back a bit when descending lends confidence, I think, and I 
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > touring with this kind of bar.  However, I've got a vexing issue: No
> > > > > > matter how hard I cinch the binder bolt on the lugged stem, the bars
> > > > > > will still move a bit when going through rough spots at speed.  Does
> > > > > > anybody have any suggestions to help sure this up?  I replaced the
> > > > > > stock binder bolt with a higher-tensile strenght variety, but still
> > > > > > have snapped a few trying to get sufficient bind on the bar....
>
> > > > > > I found that I have to angle the grip ends of the bar downward
> > > > > > somewhat in order to keep my hands from slipping forward on the bars
> > > > > > on steep, rough trails, but the amount of downward slant you see in
> > > > > > the photos is after slipping somewhat and is a bit more than I like.
> > > > > > Frankly, I'm getting a little paranoid about that little binder bolt
> > > > > > failing on me at an inopportune moment....
>
> > > > > > I had really good luck with 'trosses on my old XO-1 and have toured
> > > > > > with them plenty, but that's with a mountain-bikey stem with a bit
> > > > > > wider, 25.4 clamp.  Also, those bars I never have angled down so 
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > because it never really got much use as a mountain bike.
>
> > > > > > Shmaybe I'm pushing these bars a bit much for a big (210 lb.), 
> > > > > > lay-off-
> > > > > > yer-brakes kind of guy (?)  Is it bullmoose time?
>
> > > > > > -BR- Hide quoted text -
>
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>
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