FWIW, Wallingford has a FANTASTIC return/exchange policy on saddles, might want to look them up if you're not sure on the saddle: http://wallbike.com/catalog/saddles/berthoud-leatherline-saddles
On 3/20/11, Rene Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Khalid, > > I think the Berthoud saddle is worth it's cost. It's certainly more > comfortable and there are absolutely no issues with the plastic bottom. In > fact, it's almost invisible with a saddlebag. I've also heard a lot of > complaints regarding durability with the newer Brooks saddles. Anyway, for > me the saddle width is perfect and I love its flatter top. My Brooks had to > have the nose so high so I wouldn't slide forward so much. > > Enjoy your Atlantis! > > René > > Sent from my iPhone 4 > > On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Khalid Mateen <krm2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just want to reply that I like how your bicycle is set up Rene even the > saddle. I have read that the new Berthoud Gilles Saddles are comfortable > although some people think it is kind of cheap that they have that plastic > under there. Even though that is the case, there hasnt been any reports > that the plastic has cracked during the riding and in fact, people have said > that this plastic material is strong. It also looks like they put alot of > thought in designing that saddle to compete with the Brooks since it has > thicker leather and parts can be easily replace versus hammered copper nails > of the Brooks. ALso, it is alot more expensive than the Brooks ($225 at > PeterWhite Cycles). It may be worth it if you get alot of wear and tear out > of the saddle and parts can be easily replaced. > > Thanks > > Khalid Mateen > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Rene Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames >> will really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars >> for your own personal fit. I'm 5'11" and my saddle height is 79cm, which >> means id be at the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the >> 61. Riv put me on a 61 which is perfect vertically, but based on where I >> need the brake hoods to be so in order to minimize/avoid shoulder and neck >> pain, I've ended up with a 7cm stem and my bars exactly 1" higher than my >> saddle. >> >> If I wanted to ride with a longer stem which could have a different effect >> on the handling of the bike, the I would need the 58 but also a taller >> stem >> and would show more seat post and stem post to preserve the saddle height >> and bars relationship. If I didn't have the left shoulder pain, then I'd >> probably be riding an 8-9 cm stem. >> >> This is applicable to Noodle bars which have a long reach. With other drop >> bars or bar types such as Albatross or Moustache bars, the stem length >> would >> have to be adjusted accordingly. >> >> So, the fine points to consider when talking with Riv to choose a size >> should be your preferred position in terms of how upright or bent forwards >> you want to be, the type of bars you'll want to use and the height of the >> bars in relation to your saddle. Even if you have trouble measuring your >> PBH >> (I couldn't do it right until they did it), measure the distance between >> the >> top of the saddle and the center of the crank arms along the seat post on >> your current bike where i assume you are properly fit and use that as a >> guide. >> >> Last, trust their advice and if needed, send them a photo of you on your >> current bike so they can asses your riding position and make additional >> recommendations. Forget about your current preconceptions about stand-over >> height and trust them. They'll stand by you and giver you good advise. >> >> I have both a 61cm Atlantis and a Homer, but the 60cm Bombadil they >> recommended turned out to be too long for me with its longer top tube. And >> I'm running 50mm Marathon Supremes on the Atlantis, which make it taller >> than thinner tires. Vertically, however, it fits perfectly. With the 7 cm >> stem I have the best fit I've ever had on a road bike in my entire life. >> More importantly, I'm starting to ride completely pain free on most of my >> rides now. And of course, working on the causes of the pain with a good >> chiropractor. It's amazing how unbalanced we get physically over the years >> as we get older and hit the 5th floor! >> >> Congratulations on choosing to get an Atlantis. You can check mine here: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157625129486363/ >> >> René >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Khalid >> > >> > I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you. >> > Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance. >> > It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance >> > liberates you to go bigger. It also depends somewhat on who you talk >> > to. I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a >> > 58 or a 61 (PBH 87). When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it >> > was right there. I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but >> > barely. Harry looked and said "That looks like your size". They >> > didn't have a 58 on hand at the time. On a different day, I was >> > talking with Mark, who knows my bikes, although he's never done any >> > fitting with me. I told him I was thinking about a 58 Atlantis, and >> > he said "Are you sure you are tall enough for a 58?" So it's not >> > completely rigid, their approach. >> > >> > My point is that both the 58 and the 61 can work for a person your >> > size. It will come down to your decision, which will be based >> > somewhat on your riding style and attitude. If your riding style and >> > attitude towards cycling changes a lot over the next year or two, then >> > it is possible that you might grow to love a bike that seemed too big >> > at the beginning, or might grow to regret that you got something that >> > is one size off. That's probably the biggest piece, the guesswork on >> > where your opinions will lie a few thousand miles down the road. I >> > guarantee you could find several Atlantis owners that are exactly your >> > size who love their 58, and others exactly your size who love their >> > 61. There's probably a few who ride a 56, and are similarly convinced >> > they got "their size". I'm leaning towards the 58 because I intend to >> > have the bars close to level with the saddle. If I wanted the bars >> > 3-4 cm higher than the saddle, I'd go with the 61. >> > >> > On Mar 18, 10:41 am, Khalid Mateen <krm2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I check it. I am either getting a 58cm frame or a 61 cm frame. I wont >> know >> >> until I talk to them. >> >> >> >> K. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net >> >wrote: >> >> >> >>> on 3/18/11 9:01 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>> I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell. They do not >> >>>> have >> >>> the >> >>>> sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore. >> >> >> >>> Yonder: >> >>> http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_size >> >> >> >>> http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/pbh_and_how_to_measure_it >> >> >> >>> -- >> >>> Jim Edgar >> >>> cyclofi...@earthlink.net >> >> >> >>> Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com >> >>> Current Classics - Cross Bikes >> >>> Singlespeed - Working Bikes >> >> >> >>> Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com >> >> >> >>> "'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed >> >>> imaginary >> >>> handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. 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