Here's the photos

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5396494939/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397091824/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092882/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092378/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092082/

The tightest squeeze is the clearance on the sides for the diagonal
stays.  Those are hard to photograph, behind the brake caliper.
Furthermore, the geometry might be a little different there on a 58.
It looks do-able to me, but if you tried to put fenders in there that
are WAY wider than Hetres, they may interfere, and you'd have to bend
metal and such.  I'm sure I could do it with SKS P45's.

On Jan 28, 5:17 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My wife has a 52 Betty (well, an Yves if you want to get technical).
> I have a wheelset with Hetres, so I could throw those wheels on and
> photograph the clearances.  The Yves is not running fenders at the
> moment.  I have no doubt I could fit fenders, but I've been happily
> using SKS plastics.  Having not set up a set of Honjos or Berthouds, I
> don't know how much more intrusive they are than SKS.  I would hope
> they dont take up any more room.  If they fit through the brakes, they
> ought to take the tires, because Hetres fit in Silver calipers with
> plenty of room.
>
> Regarding trail, there's online trail calculators on the web.  You
> enter headtube angle, rim ERD, tire diameter, and fork rake.  For a 58
> Betty, that's 70 degrees, 584mm, 42mm(for a Hetre), and 53mm rake.
>
> yojimg.net has a calculator that using those numbers comes out to:
> 66.6mm
>
> On Jan 28, 4:11 pm, Rene Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I bought a Betty for my daughters to borrow from me... :-)
>
> > Bought the size 58 since it fits us all, me and them. For them it's on
> > the brink of being too large, for me on the brink of being too small,
> > but nevertheless good for all. It's not my primary bike but rather, my
> > bike to do errands around Palo Alto.
>
> > To your questions:
>
> > - Hetres do fit without fenders. They don't fit with the Honjo fenders
> > Jan recommends, and then the question is can everything "work" with
> > Hetres and narrower Honjo fenders or SKS fenders... maybe. IIRC, the
> > largest Honjo fenders that fit are 47mm, so the fit between them and
> > the Hetres may not be as good.
>
> > - I believe that the trail would be high, according to Grant's
> > philosophy. That beeing said, it handles as nice as all the other Rivs
> > do. Your wife will not care... :-)
>
> > René

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