I have an old Trek MTB with a wider Q factor that is absolutely the
most comfortable bike I have ever ridden. It sports albatross bars
level with the saddle and I use a sprung B66 with it. I have tried to
duplicate the fit with several other bikes and have had no luck with
my knee comfort etc. until I stuck and oddball wide bottom bracket
axle on one bike with a triple XD crank and viola, instant
improvement, which led me to do some measuring. Since then I have yet
to find a combo that allows good chainline and the wide Q that I need.
I thought about some pedal extenders to widen my Q but am concerned
that they may place more stress on the crank arm threads......any
thoughts on this?

On Sep 25, 1:03 pm, andrew hill <neurod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi folks,
>
> i'm looking at building up my next Riv in some road-ish configuration for a 
> fast/light trainer.. this will probably going to be based on a canti-Rom (or 
> a Roadeo), and i want to make good choices to help alleviate some knee 
> problems i've had with my Sam Hillborne.
>
> the Sam has a Sugino XD2 with 175mm cranks, and i experienced some rather bad 
> ITB pain on the right side starting 60 miles into a century.  at the time i 
> thought it was because i was clipped into the pedals and didn't have enough 
> float, and while i do think some cleat mis-adjustment might have contributed, 
> i've continued to have some minor pain in that knee all summer when doing 
> short rides (6 miles) while using only platforms (after taking almost 2 
> months off riding to allow it to heal).
>
> so i'm wondering if the Q factor and crank length are something i should 
> change on my next bike.  
>
> some relevant info - i'm 5'11 but with a pbh of 84.5 (rounded up a few mm), 
> so i've got short legs and long torso.  in addition, i rode a 19" Gary Fisher 
> Cobia 29er for the past few years and never experienced even a twinge of pain 
> doing 12-30 mile rides, and ~ 75+ miles a week with clip-ins; the Fisher also 
> had 175 cranks, and a Q-factor of 166.  I believe the Q on the SD2's are 
> about the same (165), but i'm not sure what the BB width that came with the 
> Sam is, so it's possible the Fisher had a larger effective Q...?
>
> i'd like to go back to SPD clip-ins, as i never had a problem before my 
> century ride last june, and based on some recent threads on this list, i'm 
> planning on going with a shorter crank.. i'm thinking 170mm, as i doubt 172.5 
> will make much of a difference (but i'd love to hear dissenting opinions).  
>
> also - anyone know how "typical" the Q the Sam with stock BB and SD2 is?   
> any advice on how to minimize ITB issues when setting up a Riv in a road-ish 
> fashion?  i'm assuming i DONT want to go for a compact double with narrow Q, 
> but might want to get a wider BB or a set of cranks with a larger tread.  
>
> thanks,
> andrew

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