Jim:

FWIW the SRAM S7 and P5 have narrower spacing, and I believe you may
tweak the spacers to fit a 120mm (but not sure); I built up a P5 wheel
for my wife's 1985 Stumpjumper, which has 126mm rear spacing.  Nice
hub, although a bit spendy and not the easiest to find, whereas there
seems to be an abundance of older Sturmey Archer 3-speed hubs.

Good luck!!
BB

On Sep 21, 9:40 am, James Warren <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Jim. That helps a lot. I think I saw a narrow-spaced Shimano on their 
> site. I know I ran across the Shimano 3-speed type made for coaster brakes a 
> lot. Sure coasting good, but coaster brakes - no. I haven't looked into 
> Sturmey Archer yet, but I will.
>
> I like the bolt-on derailleur hanger from Loose Screws. Even though I already 
> have one of those hanger-not-needed derailleurs mounted in the frame, I might 
> try that hanger.
>
> I'll post photos when I finally get this thing going. I was hoping to have it 
> by October 2, but that's a longshot.
>
> -Jim W.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: CycloFiend <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Sep 20, 2010 10:39 PM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [RBW] Internal 3-speed QB question
>
> >on 9/20/10 9:45 PM, James Warren at [email protected] wrote:
> >> I'm looking for information on Shimano 3-speed internal hubs with the
> >> following idea in mind. In the following pictures:
>
> >>http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr36_pg27.jpg
>
> >> the rear derailleur shown is not functioning as a rear derailleur. There 
> >> is no
> >> cable attached, and the derailleur is only there to take up a lot of slack 
> >> so
> >> that I can have vastly different chainrings up front shifted with a front
> >> derailleur. Right now, the bike has three rings in front, 24-36-48, so the
> >> bike has three gears total. (In the photo, there are two gears with a
> >> pants-guard. This set-up has worked fine whether as a 1-speed or 2.)
> >> What I would like to do is get a bit of gear-shifting in the back through 
> >> use
> >> of an internal 3-speed hub. I would like to make the bike an internal 
> >> shifter
> >> in the rear but still retain its 3-chainring derailleur system in the 
> >> front,
> >> for a total of 9 gears (3x3). Is there any reason that I couldn't use an
> >> internal 3-speed hub, like Shimano's, but while using this hub, still have 
> >> it
> >> work with the dummy derailleur mounted as shown in the photos so that it 
> >> takes
> >> up slack and allows me to still do wide range shifting in front?
>
> >> I realize this is a bit complicated (due to rear spacing and lack of
> >> derailleur hanger in rear) and I'm trying to research it myself, but any
> >> pointers would be appreciated if it's not too much trouble.
>
> >You've already done most of the heavy lifting on that system.
>
> >Since you are sticking with a coastable setup, there shouldn't really be
> >that much of an issue.  You really just have the same setup, with differing
> >ratios which don't change any chain tension or angle.
>
> >There is the spacing issue - 120 mm, which may nix the Shimano 3 speed (and
> >I think those were coaster brake models, but I'm not sure).  But, S-A stuff
> >can be found that way, to be sure.  There's probably no reason you couldn't
> >run a 7 or 8 speed hub, if it was spaced correctly.
>
> >It would be problematic to run the derailleur with a fixed hub like the S-A
> >S3X. Derailleurs/tensioning devices and fixed setups are generally thought
> >to be Bad Ideas.  AASHTA -
> >http://www.sheldonbrown.com/singlespeed.html#tension
>
> >You're really just using the arm of the rear derailleur for tension.  And
> >for the range you are running, I don't think you could drop back to a Paul
> >Melvin. But, if you widen your gearing aft, maybe you could run narrower up
> >front...
>
> >(For those looking to mount a derailleur on a tab-less fork end, you just
> >need to find one of these -  http://tinyurl.com/derhanger)
>
> >It seems like you are really most of the way there, right now.
>
> >- Jim
>
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