Forgot to mention why the wire bead versions may be less desirable:
not because I am a weight weenie, but because the added weight of the
wire bead increases the gyroscopic force enough to impact the handling
negatively (making the bike harder to turn, and the line through
corners harder to adjust; at least according to Jan's article)
Gernot
On Aug 16, 9:59 am, Earl Grey <earlg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would guess that even in the tiny niche of riders who love combined
> road/dirt rides, there are more 700C bikes than 650B out there. While
> Jan Heine claims that tires in the 33-44mm range or so handle best in
> a 650B size (see BQ Spring 2010, p. 19), I would love to see a light,
> supple 38-40/700C tire. Panaracer could come close to this with very
> low cost by issuing folding non-TG versions of the 35 and 37mm
> Paselas. Anyone here have influence at Panaracer? :) Anyone know if
> indeed they sell those versions in Japan?
>
> Gernot
>
> On Aug 16, 5:19 am, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 15:08 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote:
> > > Steve,
> > > I guess this discussion merits another on the subject of the
> > > availability of 700C size tires that are designed around the
> > > parameters of the Gran Bois Hetre or Pacenti Pari-Moto (wide
> > > [38-42mm], supple sidewalls, lightweight and with fine herringbone
> > > tread patterns). Why doesn't anyone make a tire like this? Looking
> > > at the availability of 650B tires that have these characteristics is
> > > quite enough to make a 700C bike owner jealous!
>
> > I don't think there's a market for it.
>
> > In the first place, the Hetre and the Pari Moto exist because
> > individuals who care ("I" of I's Bicycle, the owner of Grand Bois, and
> > Kirk Pacenti) brought them into existence. Nothing like that in 700C.
>
> > There's a market of dedicated 650B fans who bought in advance to fund
> > the development of the Pari Moto (and, come to mention it, the Saluki,
> > Riv's first 650B offering, as well). You don't have that core of
> > enthusiasts in the 700C market.
>
> > What's more, with 650B it's easy to know and identify the available
> > tires. There's no forest of similar looking competitors to navigate
> > your way through, as is the case with 700C. There are plenty of wide
> > 700s, and no individual could ever make their way through that tangle.
> > There's no Consumer Reports of bike tires, either. So if there was a
> > diamond out there amongst all the hybrid tires, who would ever know it?
>
> > Then there's pricing. The cheap wide 700C tires basically set the price
> > the market's willing to pay. Could you sell a tire that costs 2-3 times
> > as much as the competition?
>
> > Finally, I think the 700C market has the wide sizes pigeonholed as being
> > cheap tires for cheap hybrids or super heavy duty tires for heavy duty
> > utility bikes. There is no 700C bike that's built like a 650B
> > randonneur, why should there be a tire for one?
>
> > > Maybe Jan Heine or someone else (Rivendell?) should approach Panaracer
> > > or Gran Bois about making a 700C tire with these characteristics. I'm
> > > sure there would be a market for this type of tire.
>
> > Why should they? Those passionate about wonderful supple fast wide
> > tires are in the 650B arena.
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