Patrick, just an FYI for yourself and others here, while this is a US-site..it is not a us-based site. The orders ship from their warehouse in Australia so all the (current tariffs) still apply.
On Wednesday, October 22, 2025 at 6:18:23 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: > I can agree with this, with the specification “respectfully,” which means > among other things avoiding inflammatory language. > > Funny you should mention [tariffs]: just a short while ago I ordered a > “Tried-and-liked in 2025”—quality extended saddle wedge from Crumpler in > Australia (the selling factor: it’s 15” long but has a stiff construction > and a full-zip closure that holds largish loads and doesn’t require rolling > it up when empty.* Also, it was available in bright orange). > > The website retail in American Freedom purchase coupons was $111. Good > enough. But I ordered just as the tariffs came down and Aussie Post stopped > mailing to the USA. OK. That meant that Crumpler had to mail it UPS > expedited superfast service at $50 US coupons. Fair enough. > > But then, UPS emailed me and said, we’re asking you for $80 US plastic > counters for the tariff, and we’re adding $14 US monopoly sheets for our > trouble. > > Upshot is, that a $111 USD item cost me $255 American Freedom lollipops, > or aprox $800 Australian dollars. > > I don’t mind; the seat bag is so perfect for my needs for the bike it’s > meant for (Matthews dirt road road bike) that I prefer to have the bag and > pay instead of not paying and not having the bag, but a 90% tariff upcharge > is not something I’d prefer for routine transactions. > > *It carried my 1/5 lb repair kit with room for a bottle of wine carefully > inserted, and the support strap system and the shape-maintaining > construction meant that all that weight at the back end didn’t make it > droop onto the rear fender. Yet it’s not so huge that riding with only the > kit makes it floppy. > > https://us.crumpler.com/products/great-question?variant=40477649010767 > > [Perhaps should have ordered from this US site, but I didn’t see it until > just now.] > > 15” nose to tail. > > [image: image.png] > > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2025 at 3:57 PM Josiah Anderson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I'm not Jim, but I would think that discussion of the imminent threat of >> major shake-ups of the bike industry should be on topic, as long as it can >> be done respectfully. Politics has lots of effects, and while we avoid >> discussing most of them here, it feels strange to pretend this one doesn't >> exist. The bike industry is what pays my rent, and I for one think this is >> relevant and rather scary. >> >> Josiah Anderson >> >> Le mer. 22 oct. 2025 à 2:49 PM, Patrick Moore <[email protected]> a >> écrit : >> >>> Yeah, but Grant doesn’t set the parameters of acceptable topics of >>> conversation on this list. I refer this dispute to Jim. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2025 at 3:40 PM Michael Baquerizo <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Riding a bike is political even if it's unintentionally political. When >>>> you're on a bike, you're saying, even if you're not trying to say, that >>>> you >>>> can move your body around, efficiently and with a fair amount of fun, >>>> without endangering others, taking up more than your share of space, >>>> without using resources and contributing to all of usage of resources. >>>> >>>> - Grant Peterson of Rivendell Bicycles >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, October 22, 2025 at 4:04:50 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> ???? >>>>> >>>>> Politics is off-topic; please. Stick to effect on high-end independent >>>>> US-based makers. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2025 at 7:44 AM Brian Turner <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The owner of Guardian (Brian Riley) posted a comment on the >>>>>> Bikerumor.com article, and is rightly getting blasted: >>>>>> See comments here >>>>>> <https://bikerumor.com/50-tariff-increases-impacts-bike-industry/#comments> >>>>>> Basically parroting a bunch of isolationist / MAGA garbage talking >>>>>> points to justify wanting to build a wall around his own investment, >>>>>> while >>>>>> punishing everyone else - including consumers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Brian >>>>>> Lexington, KY >>>>>> On Friday, October 17, 2025 at 6:08:09 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At least someone is still making something tangible in the Yew Ess >>>>>>> Ay; but yes, very bad and probably wholly unconsidered side effect on >>>>>>> US >>>>>>> mfrs of *good* steel bikes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But so far, it’s only a proposal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But why not this, if you have to have a tariff? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In May Riley gave a speech to the Senate Committee on Small Business >>>>>>> and Entrepreneurship in which he suggested the U.S. impose a $150 flat >>>>>>> tariff on all bike imports. “A modestly protective tariff of $150 per >>>>>>> bicycle would have the effect of reshoring most mass-market bicycle >>>>>>> production while not materially affecting high-performance, >>>>>>> limited-production imported bicycles,” he told the committee. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lastly, I entirely agree that “Safety Brake” is a far, far better >>>>>>> product name than “SlidePad." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 1:09 PM Ben Miller <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I saw that too. I also heard it was because of some kid's bike >>>>>>>> company called Guardian Bikes. Boooooo! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2025/10/08/peopleforbikes-urges-industry-action-guardian-calls-%E2%80%98crushing%E2%80%99-increased >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, October 17, 2025 at 8:38:44 AM UTC-7 Mike Gillespie >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just recently came across this news regarding new tariffs on >>>>>>>>> bikes, components and accessories. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Submit a Comment on Proposed 50% Tariffs >>>>>>>>> on Bikes and E-Bikes by next Tues. Oct. 21st >>>>>>>>> *On October 7, 2025, the U.S. Commerce Department published new >>>>>>>>> requests for inclusion of derivative products in the Section 232 >>>>>>>>> aluminum >>>>>>>>> and steel tariffs. 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