Brody - that's a big discrepancy! I've been a little better lately. I need to really stretch and role out my right side before and after a ride. I can feel the spots that are tight when I'm foam rolling, and I really focus on those and I can feel the difference. I also stop once an hour or so and have a stretch off the bike that helps. Plus I'm doing some workouts that are helping, I can feel it when I walk. What I have landed on in terms of theories, is it's not about the equipment or bike fit, it's purely me. For example, when I stand out of the saddle and pedal up a hill, I'm still tilted. I've thought of quick-fixes (new cockpit for the Roadini, saddle, etc.), and I don't believe any of these would really help. I just need to stretch and strengthen.
On Saturday, August 16, 2025 at 11:58:58 AM UTC-4 Brody wrote: > Jay - I feel ya. All I could do is nod in agreement (and shared pain) > while reading your post. I have a leg length discrepancy of 1 1/3 inches so > I've struggled with pelvic/hip pain for years. I'm amazed you're still > riding in the drops. Just last year I finally got rid of my custom > Independent Fabrication road bike and bought my first Rivendell - a 2011 > Double Top Tube giant with Billie Bars and haven't looked back. I find the > upright position to be much friendlier on my irregular body. I'll put my > comfort at 7/10 now. Still trying to dial in saddle tilt and height with > micro adjustments to get that number even higher. Had to ditch the B17 for > the B17 carved. My only advice after you dial in fit - stretch those hips > regularly. > > Patrick - I've never seen that Peter White link. Great read. Thanks for > sharing. > > Cheers, > > Brody in LA > > On Friday, August 8, 2025 at 11:26:09 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> I hit “send” before attaching the link: >> https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.php >> >> On Fri, Aug 8, 2025 at 12:24 PM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> > With saddle position dial in, the upper body can be in lots of >>> positions comfortably, from high to low. >>> >>> Garth is absolutely spot-on. IME, saddle position, both height, tilt, >>> and especially fore/aft position wrt the bb is the key and starting point >>> for good bike fit; everything else is calculated on a comfortable saddle >>> position. >>> >>> Peter White’s bike fit article is very useful. In fact some bike fitter >>> uses it as a fundamental textL >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2025 at 6:28 AM Garth <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Jay, In my experience saddle positioning relative to the BB has >>>> everything to do with upper body relative comfort. I don't know your exact >>>> sizes and years of the Roadini and Fargo, but as you already know, the >>>> Fargo has a steeper seat tube angle than the Roadini. Since you have the >>>> same saddle, the amount the saddle is back from the center-BB is easy >>>> enough to roughly measure using a string and a something heavy like a >>>> socket that you can tie the string around. Pinch the end of the string >>>> against the front edge tip of the saddle while the bike is vertical(set >>>> against a wall), steady the string 'till it stops rocking, and measure the >>>> distance from the sting to the center of the crank bolt. It won't be >>>> precise, but close enough that it'll give you a visual perspective not >>>> otherwise seen as to the saddle fore-aft relative to the center-BB. >>>> >>>> You mentioned your saddle is all the way forward on the Roadini(0 >>>> offset saddle ?), but no mention of the post itself. I've never used the >>>> term "zero offset saddle" so I'm not sure if you're just referring to it >>>> being positioned all the way forward on a standard setback seatpost or all >>>> the way forward on a zero setback seatpost. If you using a standard >>>> setback >>>> post the obvious thing to do is go to a zero setback post. Do that before >>>> entertaining the idea of another saddle, since the C-17 is working for you >>>> on the Fargo. From the C-17 photos though, I don't think you're going to >>>> find any saddle that allows much more forward postioning than it. It has >>>> relatively short rails that are placed more towards the back of the >>>> saddle, >>>> much like what WTB does and Avocet did back in the day. A zero setback >>>> post >>>> is the way to go forward. >>>> >>>> I have a Ritchey Classic Zero and a Kally Uno SP-368 2-bolt Zero on my >>>> two bikes with 72.5d and 72d STA's. What this does is allow me to sit all >>>> the way back on the saddles, where I'm supposed to be, while at the same >>>> time being closer the BB.(Saddles I have and used : Ritchey Classic, Ergon >>>> SM Comp, WTB Volt, Cobb San Remo, Ritchey Skyline). This is notably more >>>> efficient for me to pedal. I threw out all the old "ways and means" of how >>>> I thought/read a bike was to be fitted as I found none of it really >>>> applied >>>> to what I was experiencing. Over the last few years I've moved my saddles >>>> forward at least 30-40mm on these bikes I have. That's because they both >>>> have relatively shallow STA's, whereas "back in the day" all my bikes had >>>> 73-74d STA's. With the saddle where it needs to be, any upper body issues >>>> I >>>> had are nowhere to be found. These are drop bar bikes too, with bars some >>>> 35-40mm below the saddle height. >>>> >>>> With saddle position dial in, the upper body can be in lots of >>>> positions comfortably, from high to low. >>>> >>>> In regards to saddle and rail and forward positioning, of the saddles I >>>> have, the Ergon SM and WTB Volt inherently are the most forward >>>> positioned, >>>> combining rails with the shape of the saddle itself. The WTB being a >>>> little more so via the width of the rear extends a little more forward >>>> than >>>> the Ergon. Viewing the two saddles on top of each other. I'm not set on >>>> any >>>> one shape-type of saddle either, now that I can get them far enough >>>> forward it's only a matter of find a given saddles sweet spot to settle >>>> in. >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >> services >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* >> >> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* >> >> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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