On Tuesday, April 8, 2025 at 4:59:42 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

Piaw, you are not the authority you think you are, and your comments make 
no sense to me either.  Let's not get this thread off track. 


I'm not an authority. Here's Dave Moulton, (the framebuilder) who is an 
authority: 
http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2012/3/12/frame-design-then-and-now.html;jsessionid=4526DE005F0CBC6ECFFDF063B26C631A.v5-web015

"I can remember that my bottom bracket was low enough that I could lower my 
heel and actually touch the ground.

Our cycling shoes had real leather soles, and had steel tips on the heels 
to prevent wear when walking.

While out training after dark, and coasting down hill; we would sometimes 
lower our heel so the steel tip made contact with the road, sending out a 
shower of sparks. A pretty spectacular visual effect, especially if several 
riders did it together.... Over the years the bottom bracket height on 
racing frames has increased; not because striking a pedal on the ground was 
an issue. (I never found it to be a problem.) But rather one of making the 
BB higher makes the chainstays and down tube shorter, and therefore makes a 
stiffer frame."


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