Kathryn, I was wondering how you and your Appa were getting along! 78k is 
very good, and that is a long stretch for breaking in a new saddle. But 
well done! 

I ride a B68m which is essentially the same as your new saddle, but without 
springs, so I think my experiences pertain. I mostly don’t have a break in 
period on my saddles. The B17, yes, but not the B68. But I have had a 
little saddle soreness from not having the saddle positioned just right, 
but once I got that sorted, I never had another problem. I do not wear 
chamois or padded shorts and never have. I own none. I was gifted a pair by 
a woman who works at Terry and felt like I had diaper butt, so I gave them 
away. 

I put my saddle almost totally level, with the nose only barely, *barely* 
tipped 
up. I don’t feel like I’m falling forward then. As far as underwear, I 
haven’t had too much issue with seams. But if I do have an issue with seams 
it’s because of pants - jeans come to mind. But I would never ride a long 
distance in jeans, just around town stuff. For 40 mile rides I’d choose 
leggings/unpadded bike shorts and NO underwear. If you want underwear 
recommendation, I have been loving PACT organic cotton underwear because 
their seams are SO MINIMAL. Great for riding and also not having panty 
lines. (The guys aren’t reading this… Are they reading this? Stop reading 
this, guys!)

Bars. I just got my first pair of Choco bars on my Charlie and I’m really 
liking them. I used to ride Boscos but I did not find them aggressive 
enough. Like you, I thought it felt great to be bolt upright, but as I got 
faster and rode longer those bars put me in position to sit too much on my 
butt. I felt like I wanted to lean forward and like I would be generating 
more power if I could. I also love an albatross and a Billie bar. 

Leah

On Saturday, April 5, 2025 at 6:45:08 AM UTC-4 Kat wrote:

> At my self imposed turn around time of 11am I made it to the weir, just a 
> few kilometres outside the town of Murgon. As you can see the creek was 
> flooding from the recent rains – only ankle depth, and not impassable by 
> any means, but I decided it was a good sign to turn around. 
>
> [image: 2025_04_01_06.jpg]
>
> So began the long slog uphill back home. As any cyclist can tell you, 
> there is a huge difference between 0% and 1 or 2% (and there is often also 
> a huge difference between 0% and 0%!). My legs were getting pretty sore and 
> I had to have an emergency caffeine and chips fix when I got back to 
> Wondai. I climbed and climbed, with lots of breaks to rest along the way. 
> Many times I considered lying down and waiting for rescue, but after a long 
> long while I finally made it back to Kingaroy, very sore but triumphant!
>
> According to Strava I did 78.8km in 5 hrs and 19 minutes of moving time, 
> with 291m of elevation gain, which is my longest ride ever!
>
> The ride was good fun, in a beautiful part of the world, and perfect 
> weather. However I certainly was in a lot of pain by the end, both muscle 
> pain from general lack of fitness and saddle sores. I think there’s several 
> reasons for this – inappropriate underwear (merino, but with seams in the 
> wrong locations), riding the first 30km with the wrong saddle angle, the 
> new B67 not being quite broken in yet, and… I think my bars are too high! I 
> love the bolt upright position around town but on a longer ride I did find 
> myself wishing to be lower and slightly further forward. 
>
> So from here I have a few plans. I don’t want to resort to chamois yet – I 
> don’t have anything against it for longer rides but I want to fix any fit 
> issues first. I know riding long distances without one is possible because 
> I’ve done 70km before on my old Flyer in regular shorts. I also think my 
> saddle may actually be slightly too high – I’m going to take some 
> measurements over the weekend. I’ve learned my lesson to not ride long 
> distances in seamed underwear. And finally, a Chocomoose bar is in the mail 
> from Blue Lug. I love my Boscos but I’m keen to try something with less 
> rise and a few more forward positions. 
>
> The search for saddle nirvana continues. Fellow women riders, I would be 
> keen to hear your thoughts on non-chamois underwear on longer rides. What 
> are you wearing? Should I just order some padded shorts? Or do I need to 
> suck it up and put a few more miles into the B67 until it’s properly broken 
> in?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kathryn
>
> On Saturday, April 5, 2025 at 8:43:52 PM UTC+10 Kat wrote:
>
>> *Part 1*
>>
>> Link to photos 
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Sg9ZV0l8A11hRYNwPCcz9_55vY4TH0X7?usp=sharing>
>>
>> Late last Sunday evening the call came through. Someone was calling in 
>> sick and my partner would be travelling to a nearby regional town to work 
>> on Tuesday. Fortunately for me, that regional town happens to be the 
>> trailhead of a rail trail and the perfect spot for a bike ride. So we 
>> packed the work suitcase and the bike and set off on Monday night. 
>>
>> On Tuesday morning I rolled out just before 7am. The morning was cool and 
>> misty. Within ten minutes I had acquired breakfast from the town bakery and 
>> hit the rail trail. 
>>
>> The South Burnett rail trail runs for 80km through beautiful Wakka Wakka 
>> country. The first 40km, to Murgon, is paved, and my goal for the day was 
>> to get to Murgon and back to where I started, Kingaroy. After Murgon, the 
>> trail becomes dirt and continues another 40km to Kilkivan. It’s been open 
>> since 2017 following the success of the hugely popular Brisbane Valley Rail 
>> Trail which is slightly further south. 
>>
>> Rolling out of town, I was surrounded by dog walkers, kids on their way 
>> to school, and joggers. After a few kilometres the general traffic faded 
>> away and the trail whisked me away from town and through gently rolling 
>> farmland. I was soon at the first town on the trail, Crawford, which was 
>> really not more than a school and a few houses. I passed through a few 
>> other small towns and ate my bakery breakfast in the old Wooroolin train 
>> station which had been converted to a shelter. 
>>
>> This ride was the first really long ride that Jo (Appaloosa) and I were 
>> doing together. Our longest previous ride was 30km in a day, so 80km would 
>> be a real test of our relationship. I would also be testing out the new 
>> B67, which had proved comfortable around town, and was partially broken in 
>> already due to accidentally leaving it out in the rain to get soaked on its 
>> maiden voyage. But how would we fare for multiple hours? 
>>
>> I tried adjusting the saddle angle a few times along the way. I’d started 
>> with it tilted quite far upwards but by 22km in this was feeling less than 
>> ideal. At Tingoora I adjusted it to be almost level which also felt wrong 
>> and I had the classic “falling forward” sensation. After 8km, which was 
>> luckily all downhill, I made it to Wondai, which is one of the largest 
>> towns along the trail. I bummed around in the park here for almost an hour, 
>> fiddling with the saddle angle again and trying to decide whether I should 
>> press on to Murgon. It was still pretty early in the day but I was feeling 
>> a bit saddle sore already. And there was the fact that I had lost 200m of 
>> elevation, which would need to be regained on the way back, and would lose 
>> more by continuing to Murgon. Being a rail trail, the gradients were very 
>> gentle (between 1 – 3%) but it was all uphill on the way home. 
>>
>> At last I decided I would continue, having found an acceptable saddle 
>> angle (crazy how much difference 1mm this way or that can make) and the 
>> fact that I didn’t have any prospect of rescue until 4pm when my partner 
>> finished work. I was glad that I did, because the Wondai-Murgon section was 
>> my favourite part of the trail. The day was overcast, cool and lightly 
>> sprinkling rain. I was the only one on the trail, accompanied only by 
>> butterflies and the sweet smell of eucalyptus. 
>>
>

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