Doug, what you describe as being frustrating to the consumer is kinda what 
happened during COVID - a HUGE demand for bikes early in the pandemic 
encouraged a lot of companies to over-order parts and bikes (in hindsight) 
and now those same companies are stuck with all the overstock and are just 
losing money hand-over-fist...so I'm very happy Riv isn't going down the 
path of ordering to meet demand and focusing on designing good stuff that 
folks want and making sure the company holds on for the long haul.

Collin, Overstocked in Oakland

On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 12:46:33 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> This business model of having presales and keeping framesets somewhat 
> scarce is interesting. People know if they don't act quickly their chance 
> may be gone for a year or more. Or, they can try to get a frame/bicycle of 
> choice in the used market. I must say it is aggravating as a consumer but 
> as a business practice it seems to work!
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-4 der_amerikanische_freund 
> wrote:
>
>> I am planning on getting one in Atlantis classic color. I was kind of 
>> disappointed it is being offered in a color other than the classic Atlantis 
>> blue. I think that was part of its appeal, the original (albeit very 
>> different to the original model) bike in the Riv line-up that was only 
>> offered in one color, true to its principles blah blah blah. Also with 
>> Sergio green also being the color of the Appaloosa, and those two bikes 
>> being so similar, I would even be tempted to merge them, effectively 
>> discontinuing one of the two, and offer more intermediate sizes of the 
>> resulting "Appa-lantis". 
>>
>> Another thing I am not too enthused about this year's model is the pump 
>> peg in the seat stays. I do prefer the less conspicuous pin in the head 
>> tube underneath the top tube. I think that if you are not planning on 
>> carrying a large pump in the seat stay (either because you have a mini pump 
>> or because you large pump lives in a frame bag), the peg itself is a bit of 
>> an eyesore that ruins the straight line simplicity of the seat stays and 
>> rear triangle.
>>
>> El lunes, 17 de marzo de 2025 a las 12:39:24 UTC, Doug H. escribió:
>>
>>> Hi Kat,
>>> I agree that the original Atlantis color is classic and to my eyes just 
>>> suits the bike. But, I really like the Sergio Green which would make it a 
>>> tough choice for me! I have always been a fan of shades of green anyway 
>>> including the Lime Olive green that Riv has used. I wonder if the Atlantis 
>>> bikes will sell out and/or sell quickly during the presale? It is always 
>>> fun to watch but even more fun to participate.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 5:42:37 AM UTC-4 Kat wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just days now until the 2025 Atlantis sale! Who's planning on getting 
>>>> one? What colour? I'm interested in hearing people's thoughts on the 
>>>> Sergio 
>>>> green - I do feel much of the appeal of the Atlantis is that gorgeous 
>>>> blue. 
>>>> Interested to hear people's plans. 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Kathryn
>>>>
>>>

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