Wow, Chris. So awesome. Would love to see your bike. I'm deliberating on a 
Riv and the Homer is under serious consideration. I love long rides and as 
I get older I want to be comfortable all day. I used to ride the length of 
the Amalfi coast solo in my Italian steel spandex days. That was before 
starting a family and living back in NYC. Like you, my days of drafting in 
the pack are behind me. If there's a boring stretch of road ahead of me I 
do want to be able to go a little fast. I also want to ride some rail 
trails and non-paved roads. I've heard great things about Grant's ideas 
being very well actualized with the current Homer. I'd love to hear about 
the feel of the Homer from a perspective such as yours. 

Thanks!
Mike

On Monday, March 3, 2025 at 9:46:49 PM UTC-5 nmtr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Ben,
>
> So I also had an existential biking experience this past summer, and it 
> resulted in me making big changes, including getting a Riv. I was riding on 
> a fairly crowded bike path (no cars) on my carbon road bike, keeping up 
> with some other riders that were going fast, drafting a bit and having 
> others draft off me. I've done this many times before on that path and 
> never had a problem. Anyway, I had a rider come up beside me to pass, and 
> as she went by, I assumed she'd keep going and also pass the folks in front 
> of me, so I looked back to see if there were other riders behind her. When 
> I looked back ahead of me, what I saw was the wheel of her bike 3 feet in 
> front of me, pretty much stopped. Apparently the 2 folks that I had been 
> behind stopped suddenly in front of her, and because she tucked in in front 
> of me, the little margin I had was gone. I hit her back wheel at pretty 
> much full speed and went flying. In all, there were 4 bikes involved and it 
> was the worst bike accident not involving a car I have been in or seen. I 
> slammed/scraped everything along the left side of my body (knee, hip, 
> elbow, hand) and I thought my leg was broken. It wasn't, but 7 months later 
> I still don't have full mobility, despite stretching pretty much every day. 
> Fortunately the others only had very minor scrapes.
>
> The point of all this is that when I finally got home and had a chance to 
> think about it, I couldn't believe I had done something so foolish and 
> pointless. What was I trying to prove? Why did I put myself at such risk, 
> and even worse, why did I put others at risk? It's not like I was in a 
> race. A few months after that I read the New Yorker article about Grant and 
> Rivendell, and it all made so much sense. The point is to have fun, and you 
> should aways try to be the nicest person on the bike path, not the one 
> trying to aggressively pass people. I decided to get a Riv, and settled on 
> a Homer because even though I knew most of my riding would be road riding, 
> I wanted a bike that was a little more relaxed, so I intentionally steered 
> away from the Roadini (though it sounds fantastic!). I am absolutely not 
> the same bike rider that i was back in July, though I'm riding as much as I 
> ever did and I've never enjoyed it more. I ride fast some times, but I only 
> do that if it feels like what I want to do, and I pick spots where I'm not 
> putting myself or others at risk. I stop more often to enjoy things along 
> the way, and I try to say "hi" to all the people I am sharing paths with. 
> It's so much better!
>
> regards,
>
> Chris Young
>
> On Monday, March 3, 2025 at 3:59:31 PM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ben,   I began to ask myself your question - "Why am I riding?" - at some 
>> point in my mid 50s (I'm now in my 70s). The how and why I ride has evolved 
>> with the passing of time. Today I ride purely for the pleasure of being in 
>> motion in the great outdoors. I stop to gaze at streams and vistas and 
>> sometimes I take a picture. I wave at every rider who passes me. No Garmin, 
>> no  Komoot, no computer, just me and the bicycle. I call it "Slow Riding" 
>> and I plan to keep at it until I no longer can.
>>
>> Steve in AVL
>>
>> On Monday, March 3, 2025 at 11:05:28 AM UTC-5 Ben Adrian wrote:
>>
>>> I was doing a very difficult gravel ride on my carbon gravel bike 
>>> yesterday (March 2nd, 2025). I was near the end of my ride and was very 
>>> exhausted; debating my life's choices.
>>>
>>> Right at the area where Linda Vista Ave turns into Highland Drive, north 
>>> of the Rose Bowl and close to Devil's gate, I was passed in the opposite 
>>> direction by the most beautiful, green Rivendell. If it wasn't a Riv, it 
>>> was something very much in the style of Riv.
>>>
>>> It gave me a bit of an existential crisis. Why am I riding? Do I want to 
>>> kick my own a$s on a carbon bike on truck trails that are in bad shape? Do 
>>> I enjoy trying to keep up with other riders who are much better than me? 
>>> Or, would I rather just explore in style on a beautiful bike at my own pace?
>>>
>>> Anyway, all of that aside, if the rider of that bike is in this group, 
>>> that bike is spectacular!
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Ben Adrian
>>> Echo Park
>>>
>>

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