Thank you so much_ I have a Toyo build and you guys have proved it many ways!
    On Saturday, March 1, 2025 at 01:47:49 PM EST, J G <cjust...@gmail.com> 
wrote:  
 
 I thought the easiest way would be to look at the seat stays.  My 
understanding is the Waterford built ones have the little W embedded in the top 
of the seat stays like this one:
https://theradavist.com/gideons-rivendell-atlantis/
-JustusMpls, MNOn Friday, February 28, 2025 at 9:27:42 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

The chainstays on the Toyo-built ones had the S-shaped curves, instead of a 
simple, single, angled bend.

On Friday, February 28, 2025 at 12:19:48 PM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:


Toyo built Atlantis will have "AT" as the first letters in the serial number 
and will be stamped parallel with the BB spindle. 

On Friday, February 28, 2025 at 10:48:31 AM UTC-8 Kent wrote:

Thanks. It’s older than 2016. I have always thought it was Toyo. I will confirm 
tonight. Again thank you so much. 


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On Friday, February 28, 2025, 1:42 PM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote:

Did you buy it from Rivendell Bicycle Works, or did you buy it second hand?  Do 
you think it was manufactured in 2015?  or do you think it's a lot older than 
that?If it's a lot older than 2015, then it's probably built by ToyoThe best 
clues are probably the rear dropouts and the serial number.  Remove the rear 
wheel and look at the rear dropouts.  If "Waterford" is imprinted in the rear 
dropout where the wheel used to be, then it's a Waterford.  If not, then it's 
probably Toyo.  The Toyo serial numbers on Atlantis frames were always 
"AT####", as I understand it.  

Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA
On Friday, February 28, 2025 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-8 Kent wrote:

I have had an Atlantis for about 10 years. I realized that I am not sure if it 
is a Japan or Waterford build. Can anyone give me some help on how to tell. And 
thanks!




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