It was from the 2022 batch of Atlantis frames, but the taller Stack on the 
Appa and the fact that I jumped from 650b to 700c wheel size made a pretty 
big difference. 

I put a Brooks Flyer and some Tosco bars with a faceplater stem on the 
Atlantis to compensate but I always felt like I was sitting up too high/on 
top of the bike. By contrast the 56cm 2TT Sam rode like a dream, but every 
time I had to put a foot down it was too close for comfort with my short 
inseam. 

To be fair, when I called Riv before getting my Atlantis James said I was 
inbetween sizes and that an 54cm Appa would probably fit me best... Just 
took me eating the porridge that was too hot, then too cold first. 

Happy to DM you some photos of all 3 bikes if you want to see where my 
bars/saddle were on each frame! 

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 6:39:18 PM UTC-5 der_amerikanische_freund 
wrote:

> Hi Drew, thanks for sharing.
>
> Is your 53cm Atlantis the 'current' model with long chainstays? Looking at 
> Riv's geo chart 
> <https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW_Bicycle_Geometries_-_August_2024.pdf?v=1723665378>
>  
> a 53 Atlantis and 54 Appa don't look that far apart so I'm surprised you 
> feel the 53 Atlantis is too small.
> El martes, 18 de febrero de 2025 a las 0:45:37 UTC, drewfi...@gmail.com 
> escribió:
>
>> Sure Alfonso! 
>>
>> I'm 5'11" and my PBH is 835mm. Long Torso, short inseam. But have had a 
>> 53cm Atlantis(too small), 56cm 2TT Sam(too big), and now the 54cm Appa(just 
>> right). 
>>
>> My saddle height on this is 74cm, if that's helpful! 
>>
>>

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