That's the prime example on iBob of an accomplished underbiker.  Piaw Na is 
in the Jobst Brandt mold, ignoring what people tell them about what a bike 
can or can't do, and doing it anyway.  If they break a bike, they get it 
fixed or replaced and keep doing whatever they want.  That's the main 
personality type I was thinking of when I said "the rider makes the 
versatility".  

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Piaw Na never worked the 
Sales Floor at a bike shop.  

BL in EC

On Monday, February 10, 2025 at 9:10:52 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Monday, February 10, 2025 at 6:54:22 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> It's a pretty hot take, but I also think the versatility resides mostly in 
> the rider.  It's a common exchange at the bike shop, when the customer says 
> "I just want a bike, how do I choose?"  The first question from the 
> salesperson asks is "what kind of riding do you do?"  Some people are super 
> narrow in what they do and how far they want to expand their envelope. 
>  Other cyclists want to do and actively pursue doing everything or a huge 
> swath of things.  The Leo Roadini in the hands of an intrepid rider can do 
> most things a bicycle can do.  The rider makes the versatility, and the 
> bike just doesn't get in the way of it.  
>
>  
> Think about what the typical bike shop employee has to deal with. Famous 
> frame builder Dave Moulton wrote on his blog that most bikes are impulse 
> purchased, ridden at most a few times (and sometimes not even that) before 
> retired permanently in the garage. That's why there are so many Fusos in 
> great condition for sale on eBay, years after he retired. The shop employee 
> is NOT going to suggest that you "underbike" at all. In fact, they're 
> motivated to sell you the bike that is "overbike" for your riding 
> conditions, even if as a result you don't enjoy the cycling experience very 
> much and stop cycling --- after all, they know that most people stop 
> cycling after a few times. (I bought my son's Salsa Journeyman from a lady 
> who bought a bike during the pandemic, rode it twice, and then gave up 
> cycling --- the tires were heavy and way too wide someone her size or 
> weight --- after I swapped them out for Pacenti 38mm tires my son loved the 
> bike and did 2000' of climbing up over the local mountain, including the 
> dirt section over the top where I once saw Tom Ritchey flash by at 20mph on 
> his road bike, 23mm tires, no helmet)
>
> Similarly, last year at Bormio, the bike shop "The Stelvio Experience" 
> warned us against riding the Passo Di Valle Alpisella, warning us that the 
> road bike couldn't handle it. I did it on my tandem with my 9 year old (
> https://blog.piaw.net/2024/08/june-25th-bormio-to-livigno-via-laghi.html), 
> and it took some walking but it was totally worth it. I have no doubt the 
> Roadini wouldn't even have blinked.
>
> I run 700x40mm Continental Terra Speed on my Roadini. They measure 38mm on 
> my Velocity A23 rims. I think I got them on sale for about $40 a tire, and 
> I'm much too cheap to spend the $100/tire on the Rene Herse Extralight 
> equivalents. The little kobbies don't do much and have almost worn off the 
> back tire after about 1000 miles, but they do what I expect tires to do.
>

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