I'd not heard of this rack until now. I can't figure, from the photos, how one would mount it to cantilever studs; the holes on the stays point the wrong direction.
As I originated this thread, I should say that I never followed through on an attempt to install a rack on Paul cantis. For various reasons I decided the bike in question, a mid-1990s (I think) AR of which I am the third (I think) owner, didn't really need to have a handlebar bag. -- Bob On Wednesday, January 15, 2025 at 4:17:10 PM UTC-7 abraham nussbaum wrote: > Has anyone tried running the Allygn > <https://www.gramm-tourpacking.com/shopnow/allygn-diamond-rack> Diamond > racks to a pair of Paul cantis? Their website says they work with cantis, > but I've never seen it done. > > On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 5:11:37 PM UTC-6 Eliot B wrote: > >> On a slightly different note, I wonder if you could use a Suntour Power >> Hanger as a spacer. I’ve been fantasizing about that today. It would allow >> a lower straddle for more braking power, eliminates the stem/steer mounted >> cable stop, eliminates hanger strike on the rack crown mount and reportedly >> gives the brakes a firmer feeling and minimizes fork shudders. >> >> All of that being said, I don’t know if you can pull the central bolt out >> or if you would have enough clearance for everything or if it would just >> look totally stupid. But I might experiment and report back. >> >> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 2:55 PM Scott G. <nation...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> [image: rack1.jpg] >>> >>> The Rene Herse Nitto Rack mounted with the Nitto aluminum struts. >>> To Paul mounting bolts. >>> Never could figure how to get the steel struts to fit. >>> >>> >>> Scott G. >>> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:55:33 PM UTC-4 Will M wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Bob, >>>> >>>> I installed an M12 on my Paul Touring Cantis (with the Paul Rack >>>> Adapters). I agree with Bill L. that the UD-2's adjustable side struts -- >>>> or the VO rando rack's adjustable fork crown strut -- make leveling the >>>> rack way easier (for those of us with canti boses but without dedicated >>>> rando rack braze-ons). >>>> >>>> For completeness of the thread: >>>> >>>> 1. I had no trouble installing the Paul Rack Adapters... as simple >>>> as installing the brakes with the rack adapters, adjusting brake spring >>>> tension with a 14mm wrench, and then installing the rack. Done. Well, >>>> not >>>> quite... >>>> 2. As Bill points out, the brakes (and hence, the rack adapters) >>>> protrude so far in front of the brake bosses that the struts lift the >>>> M12's >>>> nose skyward. One can correct to some degree by maxing out the spacers >>>> where the rack's fork crown bolt inserts into the fork crown. But >>>> there >>>> isn't enough thread on the back of the rack's fork crown bolt to get >>>> the >>>> rack level. Here's a picture of the best I could do >>>> >>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52906286783/in/album-72157668716780897> >>>> . >>>> 3. Don't do this! I first installed the M12 using "normal width" >>>> IRD canti brakes, and drilled my aluminum fender to screw the fender to >>>> the >>>> bottom of the M12 with a smallish spacer. When I swapped out the IRDs >>>> for >>>> the Paul Cantis, the rack moved so far forward that a new fender hole >>>> needed to be drilled. Swiss cheese. >>>> 4. About that spacer between the rack and fender, a BIG spacer is >>>> needed. (Here's a pic of the spacer >>>> >>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52906220765/in/album-72157668716780897/> >>>> needed >>>> to keep the fender concentric with the 700c x 38mm tire.) >>>> 5. Some folks have bent their racks in a vise to make the geometry >>>> work out a little better. Here's a blog post on this >>>> >>>> <https://justincycle.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/nitto-m12-front-rack-paul-components-rack-adapter/>. >>>> >>>> But I didn't want to. >>>> 6. Thank you Grant Petersen/RBW for putting dedicated rando rack >>>> braze-ons on my Rambouillet >>>> >>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/36185050466/in/album-72157626161174071/>. >>>> >>>> It was soooooo much easier to install a Mark's Rack. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Will M >>>> NYC >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 6:02:57 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bill, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for this. I recall reading the very thing some years ago, >>>>> but have been unable to find it again; hence my post here. >>>>> >>>>> I have the RH UD-1 on one bike, and am impressed with it, so the UD-2 >>>>> may be the way I go. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 3:41:59 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You are getting good advice on workarounds for this combination. I >>>>>> think you understand it, but I think for the benefit of others, it's >>>>>> worth >>>>>> stating that the Nitto M12 + Paul Cantilever brakes is not an ideal >>>>>> combination. The Nitto M12 was made to work with cantilever brakes that >>>>>> do >>>>>> not extend past the end of the cantilever posts. Did Compe DC980, >>>>>> recently >>>>>> sold by Rivendell are one of those models. Paul cantilever brakes can >>>>>> work >>>>>> awesome with a small front rack, but does best with rack models that >>>>>> have >>>>>> adjustable struts. The Rene Herse UD-2 is the best of those (and is >>>>>> manufactured by Nitto). >>>>>> >>>>>> Folks can make that combo work, but it takes work to get good >>>>>> results. For those who are not yet stuck with that combination, there >>>>>> are >>>>>> other combos that work together more effortlessly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:52:21 AM UTC-7 rcook...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front >>>>>>> rack that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes >>>>>>> (either >>>>>>> Touring Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to >>>>>>> know but should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack >>>>>>> Adapters.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere >>>>>>> that the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther >>>>>>> forward >>>>>>> from the bosses than other cantilever brakes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Bob >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4b0add64-fc15-458a-9204-12538da8facfn%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4b0add64-fc15-458a-9204-12538da8facfn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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