The 57 Gallop frame set that I set aside at Riv HQ is Dark Gold in color. I have a "Riv Blue" Romulus and so I went for the stable-contrast. They are both excellent colors in my opinion.
BL in EC. On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 10:42:17 PM UTC-8 Edward S wrote: > Bill, > > As someone who just purchased a size 57 Gallop, I've found your post and > knowledge really helpful. I went to Riv HQ to test ride a Gallop and a > Roadini - but got the Gallop as it had a better "head fit". It's my first > Rivendell, and is getting built up by Riv with a lot of house components, > so I'm not too worried about weight on this one since the size 57 frame > already felt so light. > > I'll share the weight of the full build once it's done. > > Most important question though. What color Gallop did you go for? > [image: IMG_1775.JPG] > *Edward* > > *SF* > On Monday, November 25, 2024 at 8:59:10 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> "Given the touring pretensions of the Hillborne, I find it hard to >> understand that the fork is lighter than the Roaduno fork" >> >> Let's get into what the weights of those forks should be. We're >> comparing empiricisms of 844g vs 993g, and trying to make them make sense. >> >> >> A 51cm Hillborne takes 650B wheels. A 58cm Roaduno takes 700c wheels. >> The fork legs of a 51cm Hillborne will be roughly 20mm shorter than on a >> 58cm Roaduno. I don't know exactly the grams per mm of fork legs but I >> will assert that they are close to 1g/mm on each leg. That's a 40 gram >> difference. >> >> A 51cm Hillborne has about a 70mm shorter steer tube than a 58cm Roaduno. >> Steer tubes are conveniently almost exactly 1g/mm, which I measure every >> time I cut a steer tube. That's another 70 gram difference. >> >> The Roaduno has the exceptionally cute but bulky Appaloosa fork crown. >> The Sam Hillborne has the sneaky light RC-04 crown. Sneaky because it's >> lighter than the narrower RC-03. We spec'd the RC-04 on my Cantilever >> Roadeo, and that fork weighed 886g. I'm sure Riv knows the weights for >> sure, but I'd guess the Appaloosa crown is at least 40g heavier. >> >> So, a 58cm Roaduno fork with the same legs ought to be ~150g heavier than >> a 51cm Hillbourne fork. The two measurements that you can't understand >> differ by [checks notes] ... 150g. >> >> My forthcoming Gallop fork should be ~40g lighter than the Roaduno fork >> because it has the RC-04 crown, and should be another ~30g lighter because >> it'll have a much shorter steer tube. I get that from comparing STACK >> between a 58 Roaduno and a 57 Gallop. So it might weigh in at about 930g. >> That's about what it should be relative to a 51 Hillborne because of the >> longer legs and longer steerer. Call it 40g in the legs and around 50g in >> the steerer. >> >> It's just arithmetic to guess, and scales to weigh, and as you point out >> the real truth is in the ride. I promise I will report the fork weight >> when I get my 57 Gallop. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> On Monday, November 25, 2024 at 5:44:50 AM UTC-8 Mathias Steiner wrote: >> >>> >>> Ted Durant weighed the frame and fork of his 51 cm Sam and found >>> >> 2637 grams for the frame (including headset cups, water bottle bolts, >>> and seat post binder bolt) >>> and >>> >> 844 grams for the fork (including crown race). >>> >>> which helps explain the pleasant ride of the Sam, and how people report >>> loving it for randonneuring. >>> >>> Given the touring pretensions of the Hillborne, I find it hard to >>> understand that the fork is lighter than the Roaduno fork, which we're told >>> elsewhere uses the tubing of the Homer, a somewhat lighter bike than the >>> Sam. Roadeo and Roadini ought to be lighter still, and I would expect that >>> to extend to the fork. >>> >>> My tourers have steel unicrown forks that weight right at 1000 g -- a >>> hair over for the Gordon BLT, a few grams under for the Cannondale T400. >>> This is appropriate for touring with a front load, but does not bring much >>> joy when riding unloaded. >>> >>> Another steel fork I recently weighed is from my '81 Motobécane Grand >>> Touring -- 880 g. That bike is a pleasure to ride. >>> >>> Not to say that weight alone determines how a fork will ride, but it is >>> a factor. My Cannondale ST600 sport tourer rides better than my T400, and >>> that fork was right around 900 g. Great ride, lowrider braze-ons >>> notwithstanding. >>> >>> The conclusion I draw from my playing around with different models is >>> that a frame can't really be too stiff, but that a compliant fork makes for >>> a pleasant ride -- assuming everything is properly designed, of course. I >>> should buy a Sam fork and try it out on my tourers -- the geometries are >>> otherwise similar, so it would probably work. >>> >>> On Saturday, November 23, 2024 at 10:40:50 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>>> My educated guess on the frame weight is to read the weight that Riv >>>> claims on the page for the CHG: "A 57cm frame weights about 4.8lb. >>>> That's plenty light." >>>> >>>> My educated guess on the fork weight is a few grams lighter than what >>>> my RoadUno fork weighs, because I weighed it at 993g. My guess is 970g. >>>> My Roadeo fork is 883g. >>>> >>>> BL in EC >>>> >>>> On Saturday, November 23, 2024 at 6:33:27 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bill - I'm curious whether you have insight into the real weight of >>>>> the Gallop frameset, and if not, what your educated guess might be. I am >>>>> not a weight weenie (anymore) at all, but still I would love to see (or >>>>> host, if need be!) a Rivendell frame weight library. Not because I think >>>>> less is better, but because you can get a good sense of how a frame will >>>>> behave based on its geometry and weight as well as what it's appropriate >>>>> or >>>>> not appropriate for. >>>>> >>>>> A lightweight Roadini build is easy to imagine because there are so >>>>> many similar examples out there. A lightweight Charlie build is a really >>>>> interesting concept because there'd be nothing quite the same: long >>>>> wheelbase, swept bars, but minimalist like a cafe racer build. 1x, foam >>>>> grips, extralight tires on a nice road wheelset. I'm into it. >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 23 November 2024 at 10:38:14 UTC-8 isp...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I’ve never been guilty of building a ~20 lb road bike, LOL. That >>>>>> said, if you’re not starting with light wheels and tires, then nothing >>>>>> else >>>>>> matters because rotating mass is where you feel it. Although I won’t be >>>>>> jumping on the TPU tube bandwagon - got one as an experiment and the >>>>>> valve >>>>>> just plain fell off during installation. Anyway, light wheels in the >>>>>> $500-$1000 range, and light tires like RH, will make even a pig of a >>>>>> heavy >>>>>> frame feel light when riding on the flats. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then per Bill’s remarks, it’s a method of looking at every component. >>>>>> Crank, BB, brakes, handlebars, and so forth. I wonder how many folks are >>>>>> achieving light weight with a Brooks saddle, versus anything else where >>>>>> a >>>>>> plastic frame drops a lot of ounces. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 10:14:01 AM UTC-7 erik.s...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Great question! I'd love to build on it by asking about process as >>>>>>> well. When you (Bill and others) sketch out a lightweight build, how do >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> go about it? Are there big ticket items that you know will save major >>>>>>> weight, and go from there? Do you plan to include things like Titanium >>>>>>> Rene Herse M5 Bolts >>>>>>> <https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/bottlescages/rene-herse-m5-bolts-titanium/> >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> are those a little goofy? What do you focus on when thinking >>>>>>> holistically >>>>>>> about a sub-20lb, steel, reasonably spec'd (subjective term I guess) >>>>>>> bike? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I lightened up my Sam Hillborne a couple years ago and a few >>>>>>> components that brought major weight savings were swapping the Sugino >>>>>>> crank >>>>>>> for a VO 50.4; Rene Herse EL tires; and having my LBS build me a 32h >>>>>>> Pacenti Brevet dynamo wheel set (replacing a Velocity Atlas). I >>>>>>> actually >>>>>>> asked about wheels here >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/h_M96a8UWng/m/pLwYoYMeAgAJ>, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and wound up taking Bill's advice to find a M737 rear hub on ebay for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> rear wheel. I've never weighed the bike, but it's light enough that >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> people move it or pick it up they often say "wow, light for a Riv" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Erik, Philly >>>>>>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 11:52:52 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've sketched out a sub-20 pound Gallop build, employing zero >>>>>>>> carbon components. I had a lightish Leo Roadini a few years back, but >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> was not sub-20 pounds. Is anybody else out there scoping out a light >>>>>>>> Gallop or a light Roadini build? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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