I’ve never been guilty of building a ~20 lb road bike, LOL. That said, if 
you’re not starting with light wheels and tires, then nothing else matters 
because rotating mass is where you feel it. Although I won’t be jumping on 
the TPU tube bandwagon - got one as an experiment and the valve just plain 
fell off during installation. Anyway, light wheels in the $500-$1000 range, 
and light tires like RH, will make even a pig of a heavy frame feel light 
when riding on the flats.

Then per Bill’s remarks, it’s a method of looking at every component. 
Crank, BB, brakes, handlebars, and so forth. I wonder how many folks are 
achieving light weight with a Brooks saddle, versus anything else where a 
plastic frame drops a lot of ounces.

On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 10:14:01 AM UTC-7 erik.s...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great question! I'd love to build on it by asking about process as well. 
> When you (Bill and others) sketch out a lightweight build, how do you go 
> about it? Are there big ticket items that you know will save major weight, 
> and go from there? Do you plan to include things like Titanium Rene Herse 
> M5 Bolts 
> <https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/bottlescages/rene-herse-m5-bolts-titanium/>
>  or 
> are those a little goofy? What do you focus on when thinking holistically 
> about a sub-20lb, steel, reasonably spec'd (subjective term I guess) bike?
>
> I lightened up my Sam Hillborne a couple years ago and a few components 
> that brought major weight savings were swapping the Sugino crank for a VO 
> 50.4; Rene Herse EL tires; and having my LBS build me a 32h Pacenti Brevet 
> dynamo wheel set (replacing a Velocity Atlas). I actually asked about 
> wheels here 
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/h_M96a8UWng/m/pLwYoYMeAgAJ>, 
> and wound up taking Bill's advice to find a M737 rear hub on ebay for the 
> rear wheel. I've never weighed the bike, but it's light enough that when 
> people move it or pick it up they often say "wow, light for a Riv"
>
> Erik, Philly
> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 11:52:52 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I've sketched out a sub-20 pound Gallop build, employing zero carbon 
>> components. I had a lightish Leo Roadini a few years back, but it was not 
>> sub-20 pounds.  Is anybody else out there scoping out a light Gallop or a 
>> light Roadini build?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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