There are so many variables that this remark is no more than a guess, but
here it is in case it’s useful:

You said “pedaling way too hard and barely moving,” and asked about saddle
setback. I learned long ago that I need sufficient saddle setback (with
respect to bottom bracket; I measure with plumbline from nose of saddle to
center of crank spindle) in order to make enough torque and avoid feeling
that I am “losing the pedal stroke at top dead center.” I went from a
too-forward saddle to a shoved-back saddle — your own adjustment would
depend on your particular fit and pedaling style — and found that pedaling
seemed much more efficient and felt much more natural.

Once you get your saddle in the right place, then you are ready to readjust
your bar as required.

Again, FWIW.

And as always, Peter Jon White at Peter White Cycles has a very good
article on bike fit (starting with saddle position) buried somewhere among
the pages.

Good luck, and let us know what happens.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 11:14 AM maxcr <max.faingezi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Asking for your collective advice / experience here.
>
> I recently installed a Ron's Ortho bar on my Bombadil and haven't been
> able to dial the handlebar angle, reach and my overall posture to make it
> comfortable on my wrists while putting me in a position where I feel like I
> can put down enough power.
>
> For context, the 60cm Bombadil has a longer effective top tube than I'd
> normally choose (63 vs 59) so I thought the Ortho bar would be a perfect
> match. I initially installed it with a 135 Ritchey Force stem but ended up
> swapping it for a Nitto 120 (I might need to go even shorter!)
>
> Anyway, this morning was very windy and I felt like I was pedaling way too
> hard and barely moving so I stopped and tweaked some things:
>
> First I angled the bars a bit less aggressively since I had them really
> pointing down. I also rotated the ergo grips to match my natural wrist
> position for support.
>
> Then I lowered my saddle about 2cm and installed it pointing up a bit more
> than before.
>
> This got me wondering, are you supposed to lower the saddle when using
> sweptback bars? Since your position changes and you bend your upper body
> way less from when going from dropbars to more of a sitting position with
> sweptback bars.
>
> It definitely feels better with the lower saddle but I'm still not as
> comfortable on this bike as I'm on my 58 Hunqapillar with Jones H Loop
> bars.
>
> What else would you try? Should I try to get my saddle further back and my
> handlebars even closer with a shorter stem? higher handlebars?  Are the
> orthos just too wide?
>
> This whole fit thing is an enigma to me and I would love your thoughts.
>
> Max
>
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