Yes, reach remains pretty much the same. This isa a very good article about bike fit: https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.php
On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 8:28 AM Peter Fray <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Patrick, > Thanks for sharing that. Simple and straightforward guide to replicating a > fit. > > I see though you never mentioned the "reach" on the bikes - does it remain > the same as well? In all honesty, I do not yet understand what reach > signifies but it seems to be important. I read in an article that the ETT > would show how you feel riding while on the saddle - while the "reach" will > tell you how it feels when you are standing and riding. I don't know if > this is correct. But if that is the case, the need for Riv to specify the > reach in the geometry would probably be because everybody wanted to know > them -as the way their bikes are designed, I think most people will be > riding while on the saddle anyway. > > best > peter > > Am Mi., 9. Okt. 2024 um 01:38 Uhr schrieb Patrick Moore < > [email protected]>: > >> From my first Grant-designed bike, a 1992 XO-1 through my 3 Riv road >> customs to my 2nd edition Rambouillet, all had about 57 cm c-c top tubes >> though the seat tubes (all 73*) c-c were 54 cm, 54, 57, 58, 58; and my 2020 >> Chauncey Matthews drop bar road bike also has a 73* sta with 57 cm tt and a >> 58 cm st. My Matthews dirt road drop bar bike has a slightly longer tt with >> a slacker seat tube angle and dramatically upsloping tt with a huge ht >> extension, so still a ~57 cm effective top tube. The Matthew’s road bike >> has a 58 cm c-c st and the Matthews “road bike for dirt” has a ~47 cm st. >> >> With all of these bikes, once I get the saddle positioned properly in >> height and in fore/aft relation to the bottom bracket, I get a very similar >> reach and torso angle from hips using either 38 cm bars and 8 cm stems 3-4 >> cm below saddle, or (dirt road bike) 42 cm bar on 9 or 10 cm stem with bar >> level with saddle — this last gives a very slightly more upright position, >> appropriate for our sandy dirt. >> >> The first edition (~2010-2011) Sam Hillborne was different. It had IIRC a >> 59 cm c-c tt but it also had (IIRC) a 71* sta instead of 73*, so the >> effective tt only slightly longer. The bike shipped with a 10 cm stem and >> 46 cm Noodle bar (Riv sold me their floor model) and I compensated by >> raising the to very slightly above the saddle, ending up with a more >> upright position than with my other Rivs. I didn’t find this as comfortable >> or as conducive to “intuitive” handling and I sold the Sam more quickly >> than I sold the others (I have 1 custom road left, the perfect one). >> >> I agree: Get advice from Rivendell, but parse it according to your own >> needs. I personally do not like Grant’s solution to too-long top tubes, >> which is, raise the bar high. I like my bar in a certain place relative to >> a properly positioned saddle, and this means a top tube of a certain length >> given the seat tube angle. >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 10:54 AM Peter Fray <[email protected]> wrote: >> … @Patrick - thanks for that guidance. Are the top tubes between your Riv >> vs other drop bar bikes very similar..? 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