I think it's funny, and it's brightened my day a little. All the vitriol.

Grant has said some things that I find ill-advised -- like referring to 
padded shorts as 'diaper pads.' That's kind of eighth-grade, plus there are 
folks who ride more comfortably with than without bike shorts. I'm one of 
them, once I go beyond an hour or so.

As far as disc brakes, I never owned any until I bought a trike that had 
mechanical Tektros. After I moved that bike along, I had a better 
understanding of discs, but I never bought another and don't plan to. A 
good solution, but I'm not sure it has a corresponding problem. Everyone 
else can do what they please, up to and including bike store mechanics. But 
GP is handy for apportioning blame, so let's hope this was helpful to the 
original complainant :)

At least Grant gets credit for putting his money where his mouth is and 
producing -- or causing to be produced -- parts that would be obsolete 
otherwise.
I prefer clicky shifters over friction but I love having the option to 
switch. I've started hoarding 8- and 9-speed STI compatible bar-ends. Too 
bad Grant isn't adopting those as a cause.

Now if he'd only  allow his disciples to work on modern bikes...
On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 12:22:49 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright 
wrote:

> This conversation got a bit interesting in thr CR Google group - my 
> general consensus is that in the entire industry of obsolescence Grant is 
> the only one fighting the fight for bikes that will be rideable 15+ years 
> after their manufacture. Especially with electronic and carbon parts we 
> will see less and less compatibility and more one time use. I think him 
> advocating to the average individual that performance can look like a bike 
> that it simple, elegant, high quality, and can last a lifetime. 
>
> There are some companies following trend a bit like crust. I bought my 
> romanceur as a low trail disc brake Atlantis alternative. Though I realized 
> I am just not that fond of disc brakes and the required additional 
> stiffening of everything to compensate for the flex. 
>
> Grant isn't forcing anyone to adhere to his opinions - but he is having to 
> dig his heels in yo advocate amongst a trend and profit driven industry 
> that is racing biased and people take this fo being adversarial. I'd 
> strongly argue that steel bikes, lugs, 650b, wheel sizes for different 
> sizes, and fat tire road bikes. That in my opinion means every gravel bike 
> owes a nod to grants innovation and steadfastness or we'd all still be 
> riding pizza cutters. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 8:08:44 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I believe there are different degrees of ebikes. Some are just an 
>> electronic assist.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 10:08:12 AM UTC-4 Matt B. wrote:
>>
>>> "often described e-bikes as mopeds"
>>>
>>> i mean, that's what they are... is an electric automobile not a car?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 1:47:56 AM UTC-4 robtw...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Disc brakes are probably at the top of the list of things in which I 
>>>> disagree with Grant. Living where I live and riding where I ride, I 
>>>> sometimes thank the heavens for disc brakes. But that doesn't mean I want 
>>>> them on all my bikes, and yet, here we are, in a timeline where it is the 
>>>> only option for 99% of bike buyers who aren't even aware these days that 
>>>> there might be other options, it seems.
>>>>
>>>> The bumper sticker idea is hilarious and extremely on the nose. Grant 
>>>> (such a jerk!) has done a *phenomenal* job of "delaying wide-spread 
>>>> adoption of disc brakes"... 
>>>>
>>>> so silly. What an odd, an ungenerous "take" on GP's legacy.
>>>>
>>>

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