First off, I want to thank y'all for reaching out/chiming in here or 
directly. *Garth*, I've had a couple leads on Susies come in already, 
thanks for the offer.

I've had some phone chats with a couple potential 59cm fillet sellers 
(always great connecting with folks from the bunch that way) who reckon I'd 
get away with using the Susie for my purposes. That said, *Brendonoid & 
Keith*, you've both had me going down the RBW list wormhole - found the 
frame failure post & a number of threads documenting loaded down Susies and 
general ride quality.

Sounds like regardless of my slender build (6'3", 175lbs soaking wet) the 
Susie will be a bit wiggly loaded down. To date I've been doing most of my 
bikepacking on a 64cm Black Mountain monstercross. I wouldn't say that 
frame is well suited for massive loads either and it has taught me a lot 
about paring down my kit for a lighter ride, a habit I'd carry over to a 
fatter tired bike like the Suz. Also, the "rough-stuff" I intend on riding 
isn't a bunch of singletrack like you'd find in Salmon, ID. I'm more into 
forest service roads (sometimes a bit bumpy/pretty washboarded) with the 
occasional short, speedy descent down rutted out sections. Probably not 
going to do something like the Smoke and Fire race on a Susie. Or ever.

*Keith, *I may have met your buddy while hiking a trail out Salmon ways a 
few years back. I bumped into a crew doing trail maintenance - one or two 
guys on motorcycles, one on horseback, and a couple on foot. They were 
getting way out there with all the gear. Pretty impressive! *Brendonoid, *I 
commented on one of your reddit threads recently. Your setup is similar to 
what I'd be rocking. Sounds like you're not the happiest with the way that 
setup rides?

Seems a lugged Susie might be best for my purposes, but not crossing 
fingers many of those are going to hit the used market too soon.

- Teague
On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 9:27:57 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Fillet brazed 59cm owner here chiming in to say it isn't a great choice 
> for tough bike-packing bike. Light loads will make the frame notably flex. 
> You'll want a Gus Boots or one of the new lugged ones.
> The new lugged ones have thicker tubes but most importantly top tubes 
> connect higher up on the seat tube greatly improving frame triangulation 
> and strength.
>

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