No need for measurements any longer. Thanks all. Hopefully my Clem frame will be on the way soon!
On Saturday, September 7, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote: > A question for any Clem L 59 owners! Would you be willing to measure the > frame and fork length and height please? I have a frameset waiting to be > shipped to me but my mother in law hasn’t found a box and I wanted to call > around her area but she hasn’t measured the frame for me. Any help would be > very appreciated! > > I’d like to get it into the smallest box possible because the shipping > rate goes up a ton at a certain point. Definitely willing to have the fork > taken off. Thanks again! > > On Friday, September 6, 2024 at 1:46:04 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Chris, same! Or at least similar. Mine is a 52 & I fluctuate between >> 170-175lbs. I CAN make the bike flex (grab the bars and shake from side to >> side) but it simply does not happen under normal riding. Any flex I do get >> is likely part & parcel of the comfortable ride? I had a PX10 once. That >> was the only bike I’ve ever owned that I would describe as “noodley”. YRMV. >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 6, 2024, at 4:10 PM, Chris Halasz <cha...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Subjective data point: At twelve stone (168lbs) I have yet to experience >> the often stated flex on a (64cm) Clem, even with a couple rear panniers of >> produce, or while accelerating along an extended climb (without panniers, >> mind you) while passing the majority of our weekly cycling group (I like be >> the broom wagon, in case of mechanicals, on the flats). >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 9:49:06 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote: >> >>> FWIW, I think we discussed and resolved the question of whether the >>> Clem H geometry changed along with the Clem L before being dropped, a >>> couple or few years back. This isn't gospel, but the consensus was that it >>> didn't. Here's an archived geometry table from, from when both were >>> available, and they were different. The H didn't last much longer after >>> this. >>> >>> >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20200413014654/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry >>> >>> Thoughts for Patrick, while I'm at it: I have the first 59 Clem H. Do >>> I wish it had a longer top tube and slacker head tube? You bet! I wished >>> this from the moment I got it. Would I give up my H for an L? Not unless >>> I had to, at my size and weight. The diamond frame is noodley enough. If I >>> didn't have the H would I get an L? Absolutely. I never want to be >>> without this bike again. (I gave it away when I was waiting on a Susie, >>> but got it back.) In other words, I don't think you'll regret it or go >>> wrong, no matter which one you find. >>> >>> Also, to satisfy your single-speed/IGH penchant, maybe look into the EBB >>> that Velo Orange offers? The Clem unfortunately has a 68mm bb shell, but >>> there are still options to make an x-type crank work. An idea for your hip >>> pocket if you ever feel it's needed. >>> >>> >>> https://velo-orange.com/products/eccentric-bottom-bracket-bsa?srsltid=AfmBOorYXqngBK0Qlnq_HdKzQiRn3J59wqUXQQBFiOFcHlwZ38F3HO9Z >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 9:35:52 PM UTC-6 David B wrote: >>> >>>> My 2014 (?, is that the first year) Clem has a 64cm top tube, same as >>>> the 60cm Appaloosa I was considering. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 4:05:05 PM UTC-5 Tom L. wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have a 2017 Clem-H in 59 and the top tube is 25.5" center to center >>>>> which is 1" longer than my 2022 Atlantis in 59. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 10:33:56 AM UTC-7 David B wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> To chime in as a long time 59cm Clem (H) rider: I have the first run >>>>>> version which has a shorter top tube than the current L versions. The H >>>>>> might possibly have gotten a longer top tube at some point before it was >>>>>> discontinued. I've hemmed/hawed over the years about 'upgrading' to an >>>>>> Atlantis or Appa, and after digging in to geometry charts, it appears my >>>>>> Clem is nearly identical geometrically to the Appa in a similar size, so >>>>>> I'm sticking with what I have. This is all to say if anyone if looking >>>>>> at >>>>>> the used market for an H (not mine, not for sale), it'd be worth it to >>>>>> get >>>>>> an actual measurement of the top tube. >>>>>> David (been a long while since I've participated on this list) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 8:46:40 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Garth. I hadn't followed the model's genesis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can any owner and rider say how the H compares in handling and >>>>>>> overall "fit and feel" to the L? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone know where to find the geom specs for the H? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 11:27 AM Garth <gart...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Patrick, the first Clems were made in 2 styles, the normal top tube >>>>>>>> (H)is and the low tube (L)adies, originally called Clementine., an >>>>>>>> awesome >>>>>>>> name. The story I read alleges "someone" took offense to the frame >>>>>>>> name/designation, so apparently Grant gave in to the insanity and >>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>> it. Well I'm so offended by anyone who had a thing against the name >>>>>>>> designations Clementine and Ladies. (tongue in cheek). No what ? (( >>>>>>>> laughing )). Those frames are a bit shorter in the front end than >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> current model design that began in 2019 or so. What you may pay for >>>>>>>> any of >>>>>>>> them has everything to do with whatever satisfies the seller. Could be >>>>>>>> nothing, $20, $2000. (( shrugs and a smile )). >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 12:52:23 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is the difference between the Clem L and the Clem H? Are >>>>>>>>> there any other Clem models besides the L and H? If so, pray, what? >>>>>>>>> And how >>>>>>>>> are they different from the L and H? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Last question: Are any of these models likely to be cheaper on the >>>>>>>>> used market than others? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 10:25 AM Tristen Moss <triste...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> At this point I’m pretty dead set on a 59 Clem L. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 2, 2024 at 3:41:59 PM UTC-7 Tom wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Very welcome. 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