Ditch the racks, fenders, and Brooks saddle, and switch to 1x gearing. I have a jack the bike rack with basket and bag, a jumbo jammer handle handlebar bag, and a bxb frame bag--none of which has to be on the bike, but I could schlep a lot in different configurations. The only bag that lives on a bike is my saddle bag. Also, a WTB pure saddle is cheap, comfy, and light.
On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Lightening a bike is about a dollar per gram. $454 per pound. Spend what > you can afford. > > BL in EC. > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 7:53 PM Pam Bikes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My Betty is heavier than all your bikes. Just like Leah, I have a >> donkey. Don't try to ride as many miles fully loaded unless you're used to >> it. A veteran bike tourist told me to shoot for 30-50 miles/day to make it >> more of a vacation. I totally agree. I like to linger at a nice cafe >> occasionally or check out a monument, etc. All the weight you have is >> worth it and it's rolling weight. This picture is from my trip from >> Brandon, VT to Montreal to Labelle, QC about 300 miles. My boyfriend >> carried the tent! [image: ptdna.JPEG] >> >> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 10:28:45 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote: >> >>> I feel your pain my friend. My Riv is also a little portly and I am >>> constantly scheming to lighten it up. >>> >>> Here are my suggestions: >>> >>> Ditch the front derailleur and the biggest chainring, and the front >>> shifter, go "one by". >>> Get an electric pump and pump up your tires to a PSI that feels just >>> right for you and your gear. Ride around wiht a notepad for a few weeks and >>> try different pressures. I have this electric pump that is accurate to a >>> half a PSI. >>> https://www.amazon.com/EPAuto-Portable-Compressor-Digital-Inflator/dp/B01L9WSTEG >>> Switch to Schwalbe Aerothan tubes (I just got one and I'm trying it out >>> now. Feels lighter a little bit.) >>> Get SKS plastic fenders or ditch fenders entirely for the tour (bring >>> rain pants instead). >>> >>> Get a titanium railed Brooks? (expensive but kewl) >>> Ditch the front rack and run two panniers plus a duffle bag or saddle >>> bag on top. >>> Ditch the dynamo and ride during the day? >>> Switch to nylon pedals? >>> >>> I hope these help! Post a ride report from your camping trip please. >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 9:24:41 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote: >>> >>>> I've got to agree with the others. A typical light-ish weight steel >>>> touring build is maybe ~25lbs. I'm sure you could drop some weight but I >>>> don't see 6lbs being worth the trading off in comfort or functionality. >>>> >>>> That said some places to look: >>>> - saddle: drop a pound by switching the brooks for a plastic saddle >>>> - fenders: another pound >>>> - wheels: lighter wheel build (still need to be strong for loaded >>>> touring), tubeless?, lose the dynamo and headlight; maybe save 2lbs? >>>> - the last 2 pounds might take some work (stem, bars, crank, etc.) >>>> >>>> I think I'd keep the six pounds... >>>> >>>> -Dave >>>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 9:00:55 PM UTC-4 Steve wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bob, sounds like a great build for touring. I'm not trying to be >>>>> flippant here, but you might consider adding lower gearing to your bike >>>>> if >>>>> you're using it for loaded travel. Sure, you'l go slower, but you'll >>>>> enjoy >>>>> it more. >>>>> >>>>> If you add up the weight of your bike + your gear + your body weight >>>>> and then calculate the 2 or 3 pounds you might loose as a percentage you >>>>> might just decide that decreasing the utility of the bike is not worth >>>>> the >>>>> trade-off. >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 8:30:51 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Addendum to frames and feelings: my much proclaimed fave bike of all >>>>>> time: 1999 Riv road custom, different builder and different tubes. It >>>>>> was >>>>>> the model for the 2003 which was an almost identical copy (58 c-c st >>>>>> instead of 57 c-c). The 1999 has felt "fast" on every ride since I got >>>>>> it >>>>>> 25 years ago, even with different tires. The 2003 was a near clone but >>>>>> felt >>>>>> wooden. The 2020 Matthews #2 replacement feels like the 1999. >>>>>> >>>>>> Second gen Ram - blue. Not bad, but it never sparkled, even with >>>>>> first gen Paris Roubaix "open tubulars." Both handling and pedaling felt >>>>>> -- >>>>>> well, I felt I could do better, so that too was sold on. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, different frames and strokes for different folks. Suggestion: Try >>>>>> other bikes for rides similar to those you do on your Sam and see what >>>>>> difference they make. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 6:21 PM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your Sam weighs just about the same as my Matthews #1 built to fit >>>>>>> and handle (as much as possible) like a road bike while accepting >>>>>>> 622X60s >>>>>>> and fenders and racks and lighting system. Though it weighs much more >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> my road bikes it doesn't feel nearly as heavy or "plodding" as the >>>>>>> weight >>>>>>> difference might make me think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Besides, if you are adding a 20 or 30 lb camping load to the bike, >>>>>>> taking off 5 lb won't make much difference, I'd guess. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The riding position is much like that of my road bikes and I think >>>>>>> this helps. Also, the tires are "fast feeling;" this defiintely helps. >>>>>>> Lastly, the frame: it's built of OS but thinwall tubing and I expect >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> this makes it feel "light." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had a first gen Sam. It felt rather wooden, which is 1 reason I >>>>>>> sold it. Chauncey Matthews also built me a road frame o mimic and >>>>>>> replace a >>>>>>> 2003 Riv Road custom, but of much lighter and normal --vs OS -- tubing; >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Riv's f+f+hs weighed 7 lb. The #2 Matthews certainly feels less wooden >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> less of a chore to pedal, especially when I'm tired -- than the Riv >>>>>>> custom, >>>>>>> same wheels, tires, drivetrain, gearing. I expect that it is probably >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> more flexible frame rather than the lower weight that is the principal >>>>>>> difference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I expect that some people find some Riv frames stiff and >>>>>>> unaccommodating; but then again, very many others exclaim about the >>>>>>> "light" >>>>>>> feeling even of Clems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 5:40 PM Bob Warner <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would be grateful for reasonable/cost conscious suggestions for how >>>>>>>> to shed some weight from my Sam; which is currently is weighing in at >>>>>>>> 31.3# >>>>>>>> with the following configuration: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Velocity Dyad 36 / Ultegra 6500 rear with Ultegra 6700 12-30 >>>>>>>> cassette; Velocity Dyad 32 with SP Dynamo & BM IQ-X >>>>>>>> - Nitto 135mm Faceplater stem + Nitto Billie Bars; Newbaums & >>>>>>>> Oury grips >>>>>>>> - Sugino XD-2 crank >>>>>>>> - Paul Racer brakes & Paul Levers >>>>>>>> - Brooks B17 Special >>>>>>>> - Nitto S-83 seatpost >>>>>>>> - IRD QB-95 BB >>>>>>>> - Shimano 105 5701 long cage RD >>>>>>>> - Shimano 6500 FD >>>>>>>> - Tubus rear rack, Nitto M18 front rack >>>>>>>> - Blackburn SS cages >>>>>>>> - Berthoud SS fenders & RH Barlow Pass tires >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I went on my first overnight bike tour and boy was my rig heavy. It >>>>>>>> was a big adjustment for me pushing all that weight for 80 miles!! My >>>>>>>> camping gear is pretty lightweight stuff for backpacking, so curious >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> there are any reasonable priced alternatives to lighten up the bike. >>>>>>>> Many >>>>>>>> thanks in advance!! ~Bob >>>>>>>> [image: SamH.jpeg] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ab023225-f949-41e1-8e3c-d80499b7c3cfn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ab023225-f949-41e1-8e3c-d80499b7c3cfn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Patrick Moore >>>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other >>>>>>> writing services >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Patrick Moore >>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other >>>>>> writing services >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* >>>>>> >>>>>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* >>>>>> >>>>>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* >>>>>> >>>>> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7nmht9-c3Es/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/103545af-18bc-405c-a801-f54fa2ab725fn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/103545af-18bc-405c-a801-f54fa2ab725fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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