Adam asked: "What determines how small a q factor a specific bike can 
have?"  

In my view it starts with chain line, and a 135mm OLD rear end like a 
Hillborne "expects" a 47.5mm chain line.  For a bike like that, getting 
into the 150mm range is pretty good.  Bikes with a 130mm OLD "expect" a 
normal 43.5mm road chain line and give you a lower floor if you are looking 
to minimize Q-factor.  I'm kind of Q-factor obsessed, and I maintain a 
number of 126mm OLD bikes just to facilitate that.  I also have a 120mm OLD 
custom in the works with an ultra-narrow 41mm chain line to go even 
narrower.  That machine will end up in the low 130s in Q-factor.  

A lot of people with 135mm OLD Rivendell Road bikes will set up their 
double with 43.5mm chain line anyway, thinking of it more as a 1x plus 
granny setup.  Swing the whole cassette in the big ring and only use the 
larger 4 cogs in the small ring.  Doing that would probably bring <150mm 
Q-factor into play for your Hillborne.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:15:06 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Adjacent to the triples thread, I'm thinking about moving away from a 
> triple to a double in order to get a lower Q.
>
> What are options for double cranksets that are around 40/26 or so? I think 
> that would be doable with the Rene Herse cranks, but too much $$$ for me. 
> Are there any cheaper options that will do that and give me a q in the 140s?
>
> Second, drivetrain stuff is a little new to me. What determines how small 
> a q factor a specific bike can have? I'm assuming chainstays play a role 
> here? This hypothetical project is for a Hillborne, so I'd be curious what 
> folks have used to get low q on their Hillbornes. I'm assuming I may have 
> to change the BB as well.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>

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