I'll agree that I think the problem is the marriage of shallow, tubeless-ready rim with a pretty stout tire like the Marathon. I remember my first set of Pacenti SL23s and how difficult mounting tires on those rims was. I carry a Var bead jack <https://www.amazon.com/Var-Nylon-Tyre-Levers-Racing/dp/B091D278G5> with me to this day as a result, though I think my tire mounting technique has improved through the years of tubeless adoption. In your case, I would definitely change rim tape if you're still using cloth. In the things-you-probably-know category, I've had best luck starting opposite the valve stem so that the last bit of bead over the edge is at the valve and I can push the tube up out of the way. I often use tire levers for this last bit, which I think is heretical among certain bikers.
If they continue to be an issue, I'd be inclined to try a lighter tire and perhaps a tubeless setup. It really works well at high volume and frequent use; problems happen when you stray from those two conditions. Will On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 8:56:44 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote: > Those Nanos are the most frustrating tires I've ever had to change out. It > took me 2 days to get them off my son's Salsa Journeyman. Granted, those > rims are the awful tubeless ready rims which contribute to the problem. I > even had to rest my thumbs in between wheels! > > I've had Marathons come on the bike and bent aluminum tire levers getting > them off to fix them. Never again! My philosophy now is that I'd rather get > flats more often and have them be easy to fix in the field than to have > unflattable tires that also are unfixable in the field when they do flat. > > On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 5:28:46 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote: > >> I haven't had any problems mounting tires, but I've got a pair of WTB >> Nanos that are clinging for dear life. They won't even let me push their >> bead from the rim. They truly love the Cliffhangers. >> >> Cheers, John >> >> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 5:03:37 PM UTC-8 >> ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote: >> >>> Those tubless ready rims can be a pain. >>> >>> When I am going on a multi day ride I bring this tire jack. >>> >>> It only fits in large saddle bags but is worth the space. >>> >>> Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack With Handle (Black) - Dan's Comp (danscomp.com) >>> <https://www.danscomp.com/kool-stop-tire-bead-jack-with-handle-black-ks-tj/p324950?msclkid=2107b99a32e414e58b29dc1425f5087c&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=DC%20-%20Shopping%20PLA%20-%20All%20Inventory%20-%20All%20Device%20-%20(0-25)%20GRIP%20-%20NON%20BRANDED%20-%20TROAS&utm_term=4574655577246261&utm_content=kool%20stop> >>> >>> >>> >>> Second place is the picture attached . I don’t know where I bought it >>> but It has to be used with care as It will bend out of shape so you have to >>> back it up with your hand . >>> >>> >>> >>> Third place >>> >>> Amazon.com : Crankbrothers Dunarri Speedier Lever , Black : Cycling Tire >>> Repair Kits : Sports & Outdoors >>> <https://www.amazon.com/CRANKBROTHERs-Crank-Brothers-Speedier-Lever/dp/B008UY1MXW/ref=sr_1_21?adgrpid=1339205725194456&hvadid=83700507421515&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=73409&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvtargid=kwd-83700697750586%3Aloc-190&hydadcr=24661_13493417&keywords=bike%2Btire%2Bjack&qid=1703810871&sr=8-21&th=1> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> *On >>> Behalf Of *John Bokman >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 28, 2023 4:32 PM >>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Will Cliffhangers leave me hanging? >>> >>> >>> >>> I have found the Marathon Supremes (700x35 and 700x38) to be great for >>> urban riding/touring purposes. But, they are now sadly discontinued. The >>> "replacement" is the Marathon "efficiency" which I can't quite get my head >>> around...Another tire that I now enjoy for such purposes is the Panaracer >>> Pasella Protite. Less expensive, great rolling, maybe not quite as >>> flat-resistant, but so far so good (fingers crossed). I had used the >>> original Pasellas, but found them to be flat-prone. The new ones seem to >>> roll as well, but be much more flat-prone. Of course, I'm not riding on >>> shoulders of highways where lots of tire and shrapnel conspire to deflate >>> tires. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Marathon-Efficiency-11654366 >>> >>> >>> https://www.panaracerusa.com/products/pasela-protite-folding-urban-commuter-tire >>> >>> >>> >>> FWIW, have haven't had trouble mounting Schwalbes (Marathon Green Guard, >>> Marathon Supreme, Marathon Mondial) on Velocity Dyads nor Quill. They were >>> a bit tougher to mount on Sun Rims (CR 18, I believe?). I think the key is >>> to get the tire beads well into the center of the wheel well before >>> proceeding with mounting. >>> >>> >>> >>> John, Portland OR >>> >>> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 1:54:52 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote: >>> >>> Marathon Supremes have been quite supple and easy to mount for me >>> >>> Max >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 28, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Ed Carolipio <ed.car...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I've had similar problems with the Cliffhangers and other tubeless >>> compatible rims. Two things I did to make life easier: (1) ensure the tire >>> bead is in the center channel, as Josiah pointed out; and (2) use a thin >>> plastic tubeless rim tape (Stan's, Velocity, Muc-Off) even when running >>> tubes and limit it at one layer. Never use the cloth rim tape (like Velox) >>> and avoid the rubber rim strips (like Ritchey). >>> >>> >>> >>> You didn't mention if you had a wire bead or folding bead tires. Wire >>> beads are hit-and-miss with different rims. I've found I have a lot less >>> trouble with folding bead tires. >>> >>> >>> >>> You also didn't mention which Marathons you're running. IMO the base >>> Marathons are the ones folks abhor. I opt for the highest option Marathons, >>> which used to be the Marathon Supremes but currently I think are Almotions, >>> and always in a folding bead. It's a much more supple and lighter tire with >>> similar flat performance and durability. I haven't had direct experince >>> with the Mondials but people speak highly of those when touring off road. >>> >>> >>> >>> --Ed Carolipio >>> >>> Redondo Beach, CA >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 8:46:32 AM UTC-8 Curtis wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> Looking for some Cliffhanger wisdom. It seems that I am having a good >>> amount of trouble mounting Schwalbe Marathons on my Cliffhangers. So much >>> so that I worry about a tire change in the field, such as the Oregon >>> Outback, and been stranded. I am now carrying a large screwdriver to get >>> the leverage needed to mount the last bit of tire on the rim. Have not >>> pinched more that two tubes in the last fifty years of flat fixing. >>> Yesterday, I pinched two and scratched the heck out of the rim. 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