Sarahlikebikes asked about the definition of "lawyer lips": Quick release front wheels were designed to release quickly. You open the lever and the wheel comes out. For people who didn't know how to operate a QR lever, it was the responsibility of the bike shop to instruct people how to use them safely. Not everybody learned and several people over the years failed to install their wheel correctly and their wheel fell off while they were riding, and went over the bars. The CPSC eventually mandated that the fork tips should have a raised ridge so the wheel wouldn't fall out even if the QR isn't tight. Once consequence is that Quick releases are now slow releases. You open the lever, and then unscrew them several turns to clear that raised ridge. We call them lawyer lips. Many of us who know how to use a QR and prefer them to be quick will grind them off.
Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:07:49 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote: > Okay, still learning the bike terms... but what are lawyer lips? Because > the image that comes to mind is someone who has indulged in too much botox > and fillers and I am sure that is not what we are talking about here... > > On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 2:48:57 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote: > >> Hello Bill, >> >> The frame and fork look great! Love being able to see the craftmanship of >> the lugs and welds with out the paint in the way. It should be wonderful to >> ride once it's done. As for "lawyer lips", I have to agree that they are >> not my favorite. Lately my wife and I have been getting out for rides on >> our 33 year old, custom built Rodriguez tandem, so pre-LL fork drop outs. >> Just makes it so much easier to remove and install the front wheel. Hard to >> believe that was the standard for so many years (I know why they are there, >> no need for anyone to lecture the benefits of them). >> >> JohnS >> >> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 3:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> It's threadless. >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 12:31:27 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote: >>> >>>> Damn, Bill! That's going to be a dream bike. Maybe you've already >>>> covered this and I missed it, but I'm curious whether you went with a >>>> threaded or threadless fork? >>>> >>>> Eamon >>>> Seattle >>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 8:06:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here is the Flickr album where I will post my photos. >>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/ >>>>> >>>>> There are several shots of the raw frame set in there now. >>>>> >>>>> BL in EC >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. >>>>>> In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects >>>>>> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, >>>>>> and >>>>>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give >>>>>> them >>>>>> first shot at the actual reveal. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>> El Cerrito, Ca >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations >>>>>>> on your new bike day.... and what color did you paint your bike??!!!!! >>>>>>> (I >>>>>>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set >>>>>>>> that I'm pretty excited about. I like the people and products at HED, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes. They offer a >>>>>>>> premier rim treatment called RA black. The rim is machined rough, and >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface. It's >>>>>>>> supposed >>>>>>>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full >>>>>>>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders. We'll see how it turns out... it >>>>>>>> will not >>>>>>>> be red. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm >>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or >>>>>>>>>> choose something else? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived! Rivendell received my >>>>>>>>>>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint. >>>>>>>>>>> I paid >>>>>>>>>>> them a visit and gave it a look over. It looks very nice and I'm >>>>>>>>>>> eager to >>>>>>>>>>> see it painted, and built up. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various >>>>>>>>>>> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a >>>>>>>>>>> pleasant visit all around. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets. 27mm >>>>>>>>>>>> tubulars. Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass >>>>>>>>>>>> (622-35). >>>>>>>>>>>> For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike >>>>>>>>>>>> (622-38). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't plan on using fenders. I plan on being able to use >>>>>>>>>>>> fenders. I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers. Those brakes >>>>>>>>>>>> are super light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable. My >>>>>>>>>>>> opinion is >>>>>>>>>>>> that they can only work great when a master builder builds the >>>>>>>>>>>> frame and >>>>>>>>>>>> fork with those brakes in mind. Weigle and Nobilette are the two >>>>>>>>>>>> who I'd >>>>>>>>>>>> trust to execute that, because both have done it dozens of times. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I expect to take delivery about a year from now. Nobilette's >>>>>>>>>>>> queue is indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobilettes. I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and >>>>>>>>>>>> hope he is >>>>>>>>>>>> charging what he needs to keep the lights on. I was happy to pay >>>>>>>>>>>> the price >>>>>>>>>>>> I've paid. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck >>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd vote for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main >>>>>>>>>>>>> color >>>>>>>>>>>>> looks best. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 questions >>>>>>>>>>>>> What size tire will you use?? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you plan on using fenders. What width are you >>>>>>>>>>>>> planning on?? >>>>>>>>>>>>> What brakes do you plan on using?? >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the lead time?? I thought the last Blaugh talked >>>>>>>>>>>>> about closing the custom order book for a time and then starting >>>>>>>>>>>>> again >>>>>>>>>>>>> something like 1 year later >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> John Hawrylak >>>>>>>>>>>>> Woodstown NJ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a Rivendell Custom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Roadeo. It is priced like a Roadeo, will have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo graphics, and is not a custom. I went to rivbike.com, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> put a 59cm Roadeo in my cart and paid for it. Over email with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark A, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> specified a bunch of details. They included: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost >>>>>>>>>>>>>> options) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are no-cost options) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be an upcharge) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown. Holds the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fork blades a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> change the A-C fork length >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rear housing stop. I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> braze on like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is pictured on one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said OK. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know what I'll pay for that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and off-center from 6 o'clock. Legolas slotted cable guides are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at 12 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> o'clock for two cross-racing reasons. I asked for mine off >>>>>>>>>>>>>> center up top, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> biased to the non-drive side >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -fender attach points (no cost option) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custom? Threaded or threadless? Can't wait to see it! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toshi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tape...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right that there are gatekeepers. In this case, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gatekeepers are Grant and Mark A. Grant's main thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you buy a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo, and they put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the concept in principal back in 2020, and I was only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like 60/40 that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they would say yes, but they said OK at that time. This week, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I gave Mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A my full list of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I paid for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Now I'll wait and ride the other bikes in the stable... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:12:39 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds really neat Bill. I was always under the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression that a canti-roa may not fly with gate keepers at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Riv. But since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a custom from Riv and you are staying with the Riv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design principles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then it is go. Can't wait to see it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike SLO CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-7 George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - sounds like the bottom line is that we basically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree with each other, though coming at it from slightly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions. Best of luck on your new canti-roa build and be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure to let us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all know how things worked out in the end, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:53:33 PM UTC-5 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Schick said "I'm not sure I quite agree with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "skitishness" of a higher BB" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't use the term "skitishness". I said "nervous" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and "agile", which I think is equivalent to what you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling "lively" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and "responsive". We're talking about the same things. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences, and I like the differences, and I want both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stable. Neither is better. On some rides I will pick my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cross bike, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on other rides I will pick my road bike. The difference >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the two is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why a road bike and a cross bike are different bikes, to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:42:30 PM UTC-7 George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - whoa! Now I can see where you're coming from on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this build. Lots of different things going on here. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do understand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the difference between BB heights on a typical cross >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that matter). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a higher BB. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To the point, I have the 54cm Ram and I also have an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated/rebuilt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '71/'72 Fuji Finest. When I carefully place the two side >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by side I see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that almost everything about the two bike frames is nearly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *except* the BB height. The Fuji has more like a 5cm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BB drop. Now, whenever I ride one of those two bikes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always find the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fuji to be much more lively and responsive than the Ram - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not that I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either is better or worse than the other. So... must just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a difference >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in riding styles or something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:19:23 PM UTC-5 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The major difference I see between a road bike and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclocross bike is BB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> height (aka drop). A cross bike with little drop has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher BB, is more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "nervous" aka "agile". A road bike with more drop is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more "planted" and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "stable". I own a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legolas, and had my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal Roadeo. Both bikes are great road bikes, and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rode both of them on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brevets in 2021. Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rode my Legolas on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two 50 milers this past weekend. The major difference is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how much more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nervous the Legolas feels at speed on the road. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attribute all of that to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lower BB height than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of cyclocross bikes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently between a cyclocross race bike and a road >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike. I run a 57cm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legolas and a 59cm Roadeo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in BB height on the 59 (his size). It's a few mm even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lower. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to all the above, my build approach to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "road bike" and a "cyclocross race bike" is pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I concede that any normal person can build an adequate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "cantilever road bike" out of a cyclocross racing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frameset. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - none of the above really. I just see the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geometry of the Roadeo as those of a typical "road" bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and, since those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are the dimensions that cross bikes also have, adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canti's to it makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it more or less seem like a cross bike. No big deal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it at all, just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an observation. Many years ago I made an inquiry to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waterford about having >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them build a bike that would basically be a modification >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one of their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard road series frames, but with canti's. I made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mistake by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying that I wanted it built that way so I could easily >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add and remove >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fenders between Winter and Summer riding seasons. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently noses in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waterford, WI, flew up at the suggestion because I never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go a reply one way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or another. Had such a frame been built, though, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would've been about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same as what you've ordered from Riv. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um...OK? What is the purpose of your comment? Are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you recommending that I put knobbies on my forthcoming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canti-Roadeo and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> race cross on it? Are you recommending that I cancel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my order and buy an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the shelf cyclocross bike instead? Are you opining >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a road bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with cantilever brakes ceases to be a road bike? Are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you just applying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your personal label to my forthcoming bike? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have responses to all of those. What are we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a cross bike. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of threads on which I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned a desire to own a Nobilette-built Roadeo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with cantilever posts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It came up in a thread about the Legolas, it came up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a thread about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brevets on Rivs. I've made no secret that I wanted a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canti-Roa. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, even Canti-Homers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on record saying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that my ideal Riv road bike would be a Nobilette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build, constructed of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo Geometry, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearances of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canti-Hillborne. Putting my money where my mouth is, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd stated a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times that if any of you would buy my existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo, that I'd put all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your dollars right back to Riv and order a Canti-Roa. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it finally happened. Lister Corwin needed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my 59 Roadeo frame and fork, and today I sent all his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars plus several >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my own back to Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Abele and I are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ironing out the details. I've got no idea yet how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long Nobilette's queue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is at the moment, but I'm very excited. 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