FWIW, the most effective tool for the slotted side of crank bolts that I've used is the dual function Pedro's "Chain Checker Plus II", mostly because it's considerably longer than all those tiny things which are only good for scraping knuckles. It's easier to keep in place while tightening. It's also the best chain checking tool I've used as it uses three points on the chain in a specific orderly method, 1,2,3 as shown on the tool.
It's rather odd than few have ever addressed the chainring tightening tool and made one that was truly excellent. Mostly, make it so it firmly fits and stays in the slot and isn't so sloppy. The Park one sold today is no different than the Sugino I bought in 1980. While I get some my want the Silver Riv crank because it says Riv on it, there have always been more available than a superficial internet search may offer. Andel in Taiwan has quite a large variety of cranks, more than anyone I can think of. Since I use 150mm cranks the Riv models don't apply for my use. For a 110/74 triple(or double) I ordered 3 sets directly from Andel in Taiwan, the silver RSC6-317 model. I forgot how much the arms were off hand, I think with shipping it was around $280ish for the three. You have to use their "Inquiry" form to contact a real person who will discuss with you what exactly you want and the cost. They'll check their inventory and give a yea or nay. I was going to get rings too but they didn't have exactly what I wanted so I opted for just the arms. In the US these arms are sold as Dimension Cross cranks(black) and they also were the stock arms(silver) of Surly LHT for a long time. Regular arm pattern, no hidden nonsense. The tread width is little wider than a Sugino. For years I thought I had to have a narrow tread crank(because so and so said so), without ever questioning the validity, the universality of the claim. Turns out in actuality the 170mm tread width of the Andel as a triple is great, and I have a relatively narrow pelvic structure for my height. For 110 doubles the Origin8 arms are terrific, though they've gone up to the skyrocket high price of $71.... hah hah ! Andel just happens to make Riv's crank arms to their spec. Andel is to crank arms what Velo is to saddles, many of the house brand cranks are made by Andel. On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:54:19 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote: > Johnny wrote:* "I agree with Rivendell and Joe...the hidden arm is the > worst." * > > Unless you sell the higher margin crank hardware tools as a specific > pursuit. > > While in possession of hidden arm hardware cranks I think I bought a new > tool every three months believing the next had to be better than the > previous. Profits from all those tools may have exceeded that of the cranks > themselves. > > Andy Cheatham > Pittsburgh > > On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote: > >> I agree with Rivendell and Joe...the hidden arm is the worst. >> >> On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 2:27:41 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: >> >>> "Probably too much of a pain to deal with." >>> >>> Precisely. It's not in the product descriptions anymore but at the >>> introduction of Silvers much was made of how fiddly that hidden chainring >>> bolt is when installing/swapping rings on the Sugino cranks Riv sold. As a >>> many-years owner of many 'hidden arm' Suginos, I can attest they are a pain >>> in the patooty. >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:57:20 PM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote: >>> >>>> Was walking past one of my bikes the other day and thought the Sugino >>>> AT cranks and the Specialized Flag cranks bare some resemblance to the >>>> upcoming Silver 2 cranks. On another note, I was surprised that Rivendell >>>> didn't go with a hidden arm crank ala Ritchey. Probably too much of a pain >>>> to deal with. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Reginald Alexis >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:30:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>> >>>>> I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at >>>>> Roman's Legolas. He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same >>>>> time, >>>>> so I always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 crankset. >>>>> Looks pretty cool! >>>>> >>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh >>>>> >>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/92594cef-71f3-4a88-9f19-b030c10ab729n%40googlegroups.com.
