Hi Michael, The Cleary Hedgehog looks like a great bike (and great company)! We can't get it in Europe as far as I know, but it was one that I considered for sure. I'm certainly no expert on the matter of kids bikes, but like any good RBW owner's bunch dad I did plenty of online scouring before buying. I do know (from this site: https://www.twowheelingtots.com/cleary-hedgehog-review/) that the Hedgehog has more aggressive geometry than a Woom or Prevelo - due to lower stack height and less bar rise. Apparently in 2021, Cleary increased the rise on the bars so the position is a bit less aggressive.
I'd say give it a shot with whatever bike you do buy's standard set up and see what needs adjusting. If the promenades end up working, I'd love to see! I found with the Woom that we needed to lean the bars back a bit (the nice thing about the big riser bars that is has is you can lean them back and get a closer reach), and we've already raised the saddle height twice in about 4 months (growth? more confidence on the bike?). For the next bike, I expect to keep this one until he's close to 5 years old. At that point, I don't know if I'll be so particular about the 2nd bike. I was obsessed with making sure he enjoyed riding, so I took this first bike purchase probably too seriously. I think by the time he's 5, I'll choose something a little cheaper but still reasonable quality. Wooms are really great bikes, I just don't think I need to buy a new $400+ bike every 2 years when there are other decent options. cheers, John On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:24:56 PM UTC+2 Michael Baquerizo wrote: > matthew - thanks for that. promenade is less wide than those 'adult' > offerings so i'd stick to that > > john - i just helped a friend get a bike for their kid. it was labeled as > a 3-5 year old bike, the kids are 4 now and the bike has sooo much stretch > that he'd really benefit from bars coming back at him. he's doing fine on > it he just looks extremely uncomfortable. this is the cleary 16" offering. > > while i'm not getting the same bike for my kid, i'm anticipating he'd be > stretched out as well. just want something that comes back a bit instead of > a straight bar. > > what bike are you planning on upgrading to? another woom? > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:28:13 AM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote: > >> Hi Michael, >> >> I have a 3 year old that rides a Woom 2 (and yes, the balance bike is >> definitely a great way to learn. He was on his own after a few days of >> trying. I used the advice from this video to help him learn: few >> https://www.islabikes.co.uk/blogs/riding-advice/teach-your-child-to-ride >> ). >> >> I would say that for most kids and their "first bikes", an important >> factor in mastering how to ride is good bike design. Weight is maybe the >> biggest factor (for a 30 lb kid, the Woom which is pretty much the lightest >> bike on the market at 11 lb, is 30% of their weight!) but also the bikes' >> geometry and Q factor. I have seen other kids on big box store bikes that >> weigh almost the same as they do, trying to learn and struggling, and it >> doesn't look like much fun. >> >> Using handlebars designed for adult-sized bikes may throw the little >> bike's handling off significantly (and the promenades are almost a pound >> all by themselves). I would also put forward that the promenade is a swept >> back bar, and most kid's bikes are designed around flat bars. He'd likely >> be cramped and have a hard time turning the bars (unless you put a long >> stem on the bike - more weight - but even then, I think the bars would take >> up a lot of space). I mention all of this, because I've thought about the >> same thing as you for my kid. I want him on a bike that has the same >> aesthetic that I love in bikes... but yeah, between a bike that weighs 11 >> lbs rather than a bike that looks pretty cool but weighs closer to 18 lbs >> (Veloretti kids bikes, for example) - I'll take the trade off that my kid >> enjoys riding and takes pride in mastering something. He's 3 years and a >> few months and is already riding very independently (we did 10 km to a >> local watering hole last week) - that's what's been the most important >> thing for me. I'd also say that comfort (swept back vs. flat bars) is less >> of an issue for a young rider doing a few km at most. >> >> I'd say when you get to 5-8 year old bike sizes, you might be able to Riv >> it out a bit more. >> >> best of luck either way and cheers, >> >> John >> >> >> >> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:40:48 AM UTC+2 Matthew Williams wrote: >> >>> These have been on CraigsList for a while: >>> >>> [image: 00J0J_eiwKm7570xu_0t20t2_600x450.jpg] >>> >>> Nitto Choco Handlebar B357AAF - bicycle parts - by owner - bike sale >>> <https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bop/d/south-pasadena-nitto-choco-handlebar/7656648259.html> >>> losangeles.craigslist.org >>> <https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bop/d/south-pasadena-nitto-choco-handlebar/7656648259.html> >>> >>> <https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bop/d/south-pasadena-nitto-choco-handlebar/7656648259.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Michael Baquerizo <mbaqu...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> or maybe just to talk about it? >>> >>> my son is due to upgrade from a balance bike to a pedal bike and because >>> i'm me I want to switch things up a bit on whatever frame I end up buying >>> him. I was intrigued that the bosco is just a bigger promenade bar so was >>> wondering if anyone has experience with it and if it might be too much for >>> a 4 year old. >>> >>> and if its cheap enough (they're already one of the cheaper nitto >>> offerings) i'd love to take a pair of someones hands. >>> >>> thoughts? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e5efc93b-e68d-4ac5-8a01-97155248ce08n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e5efc93b-e68d-4ac5-8a01-97155248ce08n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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