@tell, John: thanks for the reply. I appreciate the insight; it helps. I 
think I'll stick with the NMSW Cliffhangers. 

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:45:59 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Josh,
>
> I recently built up some Velocity Cliffhangers with nmsw. I also have a 
> set that do have machined sidewalls. I've run them both- mostly in dry 
> conditions, but some wet- and I can't really tell any difference in 
> stopping time or power. I have a pair of Avid arch supremes doing the rim 
> grabbing and they are amazing. So, maybe in comes down to the kind of 
> brakes, but in my case no discernable difference.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:40:18 PM UTC-7 tellyoutoday wrote:
>
>> I had this concern before getting some non-machined Atlases a few years 
>> back. Turned out to not matter at all for performance from my perspective, 
>> and once your pads pick up some dust/grit they will rough up the rim 
>> surface a bit anyway. 
>>
>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 3:49:02 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> He didn't exactly say not to go with the cliffhangers just said "hey 
>>> those rims are NMSW, are you ok with that?" which gave me pause. So I 
>>> thought about it and all of my rim brake wheels have had machined side 
>>> walls. Maybe a BMX bike or two when I was young were NMSW but I can't 
>>> remember. Figured I'd ask before ordering wheels and regretting it. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 6:44:21 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is very odd. Aren't machined brake tracks relative recent (I mean, 
>>>> starting from the 1990s, or perhaps 1980s? People managed to stop just 
>>>> fine 
>>>> before that. And I've been using a stash of Sun M14As and ME14As for 
>>>> almost 
>>>> 30 years and those don't have machined braking tracks; salmon pads stop 
>>>> just fine on my single pivot calipers.
>>>>
>>>> All the old road bike rim classics: MA2s, Open Pros, etc,? Hell, even 
>>>> chromed steel rims work fine with cheap rubber brake pads in dry 
>>>> conditions.
>>>>
>>>> I think he's trying to sell you a new pair of rims. 
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 4:19 PM Josh C <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looking for your take on non-machined side wall wheels with rim 
>>>>> brakes. Poor stopping power? 
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have experience with NMSW and rim brakes but just reached out 
>>>>> to a wheel builder about building a set of polished cliffhanger wheels 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> they cautioned me regarding the NMSW. Figured I'd see what experience you 
>>>>> all have with 'em. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks 
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