Edit: Anyone with experience riding the Toyo Atlantis, and the Joe 
Appaloosa, feel free to chime in. We are very limited on information 
throughout the internet

Thanks, Tom, that's quite the garage you have there, and you are quite the 
resource! So, are you saying that, for roads and long touring, you would 
chose the Toyo, and trails, you would choose the Atlantis 3? Is this 
because you have more experience/sentiment on the Toyo? I have read many 
people mentioning the lack of whippy-control on single tracks, and I wonder 
if this is really an issue/gripe, or just a hot topic about the geometry. 
Because to me, the side profile of the bike looks super cool and unique 
with that long chainstay, it reminds me of those drag-racing motorcycles 
you see on the salt flats. The new chain stay makes me feel like Rivendell 
is either sitting on some new futuristic frame design or if it compensating 
for carrying heavy loads, and adding control. The Atlantis 3 makes me want 
to buy a set of knobby tires and go climb a mountain, which makes me wonder 
how people are liking it for the long haul, Youtube only has "Bike Checks," 
I want to know what the bike is that people are stuck on, like, "gun to the 
head- which one are you choosing". The Allrounder toyo/#2 Atlantis are 
clearly legends, and much cheaper with the addition of the new Atlantis 3.

On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 7:03:03 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:

> I have a toyo atlantis 68 and a few years ago added an mit atlantis 
> 64....what I can tell you is that whenever I'm doing an extended road tour 
> the old toyo remains my go to....and I have a 64? appaloosa too.  I have 
> refitted the mit atlantis with bullmoose bars and knobbies and love it for 
> riding forest roads and general trail use (nothing real technical).  would 
> not part with any of my rivs right now, but if I were taking off for cross 
> the country tomorrow, it'd be on the toyo (set up pretty standard with drop 
> bars and racks).
>
> I'm guessing either way you'll end up pretty happy.
>
> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 2:40:56 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: 013DB9DE-6439-4B56-BC81-37D17806CEAA.jpeg]I, too, am interested 
>> in hearing more from someone who’s had the good fortune to have ridden 
>> both. I first fell in love with the 2, but bought in with the latest 
>> iteration and have no regrets. Then again, I’ve never ridden the last one 
>> so perhaps I don’t know what I’m missing.
>>
>> What I *can* tell you is that I love my MIT. It’s comfortable and does 
>> feel like the long Cadillac you mentioned, Tyler. I’ve heard from more than 
>> one person that tight, technical singletrack isn’t great for the long 
>> chainstay Atlantis. I ride a fair share of singletrack here in San 
>> Francisco & in Marin, but it’s not all that technical or tight quarters. I 
>> mostly find myself in more wide open spaces, both paved and unpaved. The 
>> Atlantis is perfect for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:35:26 PM UTC-8 tylerj...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am searching for a used Atlantis as my introductory first, Rivendell, 
>>> during my fall into the rabbit hole of the internet and bike opinions. I 
>>> have been steered toward the newer model Atlantis, but the Atlantis 2's are 
>>> cheaper and more readily available. I want to know whether anyone has ever 
>>> ridden the Atlantis 2 & 3? I am looking for honest opinions on the frame 
>>> geometry and ride feel. I like the idea of riding a long, old, vintage 
>>> Cadillac of a frame unless it is very limiting. The newest Atlantis has a 
>>> very long chain stay, and I am curious as to how this compares with the 
>>> older models. I have a large interest in loaded touring and riding fire 
>>> roads here in Montana, but I mostly ride roads and lazy gravel rides. I am 
>>> looking at an Atlantis 2 (not local at all) with 26" wheels. I have ridden 
>>> all wheel sizes and am not biased toward any particular size.
>>>
>>

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